Re: Evidence Mounts That U.S. Military is LYING About "Victory At Samarra"

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:53:13 -0500, Julian D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 15:11:16 GMT, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>Logic-Defying "Fact" #1:  U.S. suffers not one death, but kills 54 Iraqis 
>>("Saddam fedayeen") who have some or even extensive military training.....?  
>>And it takes fewer Iraqis to kill 2-3 U.S. troops in other "ambushes."
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>We heard you dopes crying about 'Jenin' as well.
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Does it make you proud to defend murderers? I know it does. Dead
children are just icing on the cake for you, aren't they Julian?


>>Iraqis dispute Samarra battle casualties 
>>Monday December 1, 2003 
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>>The aftermath of the weekend battle in Samarra, which the US has claimed 
>>was the deadliest since the war ended, today appeared murkier than first 
>>reports suggested, as residents of the central Iraqi city accused 
>>Washington of exaggerating its death toll.
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>>Initial US statements put the number of Iraqi dead at 46, with five 
>>American soldiers injured, but the US today put its figure up to 54 Iraqi 
>>fatalities.
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>>It also said that many of the dead Iraqis were wearing the uniform of the 
>>Fedayeen, the militia most closely associated with Saddam Hussein and most 
>>loyal to him
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>>But the Associated Press reported that some in Samarra believed fatalities 
>>were much lower than the US's figures and that most of the dead were armed 
>>civilians.
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>>It quoted one of the city residents claiming that civilians had grabbed 
>>their guns when the US soldiers fired on insurgents who had attempted to 
>>ambush their convoy.
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>>"Civilians shot back at the Americans," said 30-year-old Ali Hassan, who 
>>was wounded by shrapnel in the battle. "They claim we are terrorists. So 
>>OK, we are terrorists."
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>>The battle, fought by the US with tanks and machine gun-equipped Bradley 
>>fighting vehicles, followed simultaneous ambushes on a US convoy travelling 
>>through Samarra on the main road from Baghdad to Tikrit.
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>>Lieutentant Colonel William MacDonald of the 4th Infantry Division said the 
>>response had sent a "clear message" that US would use its firepower to stop 
>>such attacks.
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>>The US has been stepping up the scale of its response to the insurgents in 
>>recent weeks.
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>>The scale of the attack and its apparent coordination has, however, shown 
>>that rebels retain the ability to conduct synchronised operations despite 
>>the offensive.
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>>At least 104 coalition troops, including 79 from the US, have died in Iraq 
>>in November, the deadliest month since the war ended. 
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>>Samarra is within the so-called Sunni triangle north of Baghdad, the 
>>heartland of Saddam Hussein loyalists.
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>>The scars of the battle were today evident in Samarra. About a dozen cars 
>>lay destroyed in the streets, many apparently crushed by tanks, and 
>>buildings were strewn with bullet holes. 
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>>Six destroyed vehicles sat in front of the hospital, where witnesses said 
>>US tanks shelled people dropping off the injured. A kindergarten was 
>>damaged, apparently by tank shells. No children were hurt.
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>>"Luckily we evacuated the children five minutes before we came under 
>>attack," said Ibrahim Jassim, a 40-year-old guard at the kindergarten. "Why 
>>did they attack randomly? Why did they shoot a kindergarten with tank 
>>shells?"
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>>The weekend also saw seven Spanish intelligence agents, two Japanese 
>>diplomats, a Colombian oil worker and two South Korean engineers killed in 
>>Iraq.
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>>US officials said insurgents were targeting citizens of nations that 
>>support the occupation of Iraq in an effort to undermine public support for 
>>the operation.
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>>Both Tokyo and Seoul said that the attacks would not deter them from 
>>sending troops to Iraq.
>>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1097338,00.html
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>"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence
>reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his
>chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile
>delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also
>given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists,
>including Al Qaeda members..."
>---- Hillary Clinton, Oct 10, 2002
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>"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent.  Since when have 
>terrorists and 
>tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? 
>If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words and 
>all recriminations
>would come too late."
>  -President George W. Bush 
>   January 28, 2003
>   (Another liberal lie exposed.)