Re: Resolution on Zionism Tainted U.N.

Repost with minor corrections and a few small changes....

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Deborah Sharavi) wrote in message 

> Er, no. Your suggestion to check Israel's entire judicial system 
> does not constititue evidence in support of your opinion that 
> Zionism = racism, and is nothing more than a sidedodge. 
> In short, you have no evidence to back your opinion. That 
> clear enough for you?

Don't be fictitious, the Usenet abounds with Zionists calling for hate
against Arabs, Muslims, and in particular Arab Muslims. There is even
one Zionist in this thread who calls it white supremacy. Sophistry of
course. You refuse to interpret this as evidence.

> <<Apparently there are concepts proving too difficult for your 
> <<mind to grasp, 
> 
> <Why do you have to be rude? What is your problem?
> 
> The problem is not mine: it's your in your attempt to address 
> a subject about which you obviously know very little.

Your knowledge consists of 'potted facts' straight out of a Zionist
propagandist text book.

> If you believe pointing out the fact that your opinions are 
> not based on facts, and that you have little or no facts, is 
> "rudeness", you should either acquaint yourself with the 
> facts of a subject before presuming to address it, ...

Information comes by way of studying texts, memory and archeological
data. To call the theory that interprets the data factual is to ignore
its dubitability.

> ... or else grow a thicker skin. 

I wonder if you are as rude to other Jews or whether you reserve it
for Gentiles.
 
> <<there were no "Palestinians" in 1950, 
> <<other than those residents of former British mandatory 
> <<territory of Palestine who were either Israeli citizens, 
> <<or Jordanian citizens, or Arab refugees. Neither were 
> <<the majority of Palestinian Arabs who lived in British 
> <<Palestine descended from "Palestinian" fathers, for the 
> <<simple reason that the concept of "Palestinians" had not 
> <<yet been invented. It wasn't until the late 
> <<1960s/early 1970s that Arabs of former Palestine 
> <<started becoming known as "Palestinians". Prior
> <<thereto, they had always referred to themselves 
> <<as southern Syrians.
> 
> <How does this change things? So what if they renamed 
> <themselves. How does this justify the murder of non-Jews in
> <Palestine/Israel/what-you-will?
> 
> The justification of murder of non-Jews (presumably, you 
> have no qualms about murder when the victims are Jews), 
> is not at issue.

Why do you assume this? Why do you presume me to desire murder? Are
you completely paranoid?

> What is at issue is your claim that Zionism
> is racism, ...

Not really. You will have to try damned hard to convince me Zionism is
racially blind under all schemes for labelling races.

> ... and your claim that the Jews of Israel committed 
> "terrorist atrocities against UN approved 'peace keepers' 
> during WWII "when we were busy fighting Hitler".

1940, Haganah Zionists blew up the S.S. Patria killing almost 300
Jewish immigrants, the aim was to embarass us. That was a terrorist
attrocity by any standard of measure and the aim was not to harm Jews
but the British.

1942, Zionists blew up the S.S Struma killing 769 Jewish immigrants,
again blamed on us. This was publicized in the US by American Zionists
and would have contributed to anti-British sentiment just as we needed
US support in WW II.

1944 Stern Gang assassinated Lord Moyne, British Minister for the
Middle East.

I've taken these examples from the Web. Wonderful thing the Web.

> <<The majority of Jews in 
> <<Israel in 1950 were of necessity not descended 
> <<from Jews who had lived in British Palestine, or 
> <<in Israel before it became British Palestine, 
> <<because the majority were refugees from Arab 
> <<countries or they were European Jews who had 
> <<survived the death camps.
> 
> <How many millions? Give some population numbers.
> 
> Specify. 

How many millions came from the Arab countries? And how many came from
Europe?

> <<"Palestine has always constituted a single geographical, 
> <<political and demographic unit with Greater Syria and 
> <<Egypt."
> <<- Abdul Jawad Saleh, Transformation of Palestine, 
> <<Center for Research and Documentation of Palestinian 
> <<Society, Birzeit University, Feb 1995
> 
> <Again one man's rhetoric. Meangingless.
> 
> Wrong again, in that this "rhetoric" has been expressed by 
> a number of Arab leaders. 

Whatever they express, I bet it is not these words verbatim.

> Having a brother in a foreign country does not
> <make you a citizen of that country.
> 
> Is this an apotheosis of the obvious?

I wish it was obvious. Many people think citizenship is mystically or
perhaps metaphysically granted.

> <This is not a lack of knowledge. This is you insulting me because you
> <have no answer.
> 
> Answer to what? I have already corrected your errata on 
> several occasions, not including your notion that the United
> Nations was in existence prior to WWII. 

I have corrected you too. Provision of corrections has nothing to do
with an answer to my point. I suggest you snip stuff that is old or
not
relevant, it makes finding the original point tedious.

You did as I expected and tried to justify or dispute each and every
example. You are only asking for particulars so we can have a tedious
exchange of 'facts.' You insult those who do not provide them and
those who do can expect hundreds of lines of Zionist propaganda. I
have nothing to gain in such an exchange. Don't bother trying to
convince me Zionism is god beloved, I may support its ends, but its
means were murderous and unjustifiable. Whatever Britian did in
Palestine and whatever policies it had towards Jews, it does not
warrant the murders committed against us.