Re: Resolution on Zionism Tainted U.N.

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I doubt saving cyberspace was the reason for the snip, but let it go.

<<That is your personal opinion, it does not contain a shred 
<<of proof that Zionism is racism.

<<<Do you mean proof in the logical sense, as a series of statements from
<<<premises to conclusions, the law of succession being logical
<<<implication? Bit of a silly thing for you to ask.

<<From you, yes, it would seem so.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Abstraction of Justice) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL 
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<We are going in circles here. You are asking a silly question.

IOW, you have no evidence that Zionism is racism. 

<<In case you haven't been keeping up on current events, 
<<the UN was not established until AFTER World War II. 
<<Specifically, 26 October 1945. Given that little fact
<<which you seem to have overlooked, how could the UN 
<<have placed limits on the number of Jews in Israel 
<<"sometime before World War II"?

<I have been daft. Should have written 'Leage of Nations' instead of
<the UN.

So, when did the League of Nations place limits on 
the number of Jews in Israel "sometime before WWII"?

<<<Well the strategy of the the Jews on the ships was to cause the UK an
<<<embarrassment. So we were left with a choice, overthrow the UN
<<<resolution and let the passengers in, which would have been to betray
<<<the Palestinian Arabs who were already up in arms about the Jewish
<<<invasion, or stay true to our promise to the UN to deter futher Jewish
<<<invaders. We chose the latter. On retrospect it still seems the best
<<<decision.

<<The strategy of the Jews on the ships was to get out 
<<of European concentration camps. (Contrary to your 
<<notions, the "ships" were not "big boats". Fex, the 
<<famous Exodus, fka the President Warfield, was a 
<<Chesapeake Bay steamer with a passenger capacity of 
<<900. When rammed by British destroyers in July 1947, 
<<she was carrying 4,515. )  Most of the ships utilized between 1945 and 
<<1948 carried far fewer refugees from Europe. 

<Ok no need to be nerdy.

Correcting errors is not nerdy. 

<<I have no idea what you mean by "overthrow the UN resolution and let the 
<<passengers in." What resolution are you talking about? What "promise to 
<<the UN" were Jews supposed to "stay true to"? 

<To keep people happy the British agreed to terms set forth by the
<League of Nations to enforce migration quotas of Jews into Palestine.

Again, when did the League of Nations place limits on 
the number of Jews in Israel? When did the Brits agree
to any LoN terms "to enforce migration quotas of Jews 
into Palestine"?

<<<<<The Jews then massacred the native Palestinians 

<<<<Jews WERE the "native Palestinians".
<<<Then why did they come from another country? Generally it is accepted
<<<that if your forefathers migrate for a few generations you lose your
<<<citizenship and rights to your homeland.

<<Mind translating that into English?

<Why, if Jews were native Palestinians, did they come from other
<countries? 

Turn the question around. If Arabs were native Palestinians, 
why did they come from other countries? 

The fact is, the population of western Palestine in the last decades
of the 19thC had been severely reduced. With the advent of Jews 
and the various Jewish enterprises under the Zionists, immigration
rates for both Jews AND Arabs rose dramatically. But there was 
never a time when there were no Jews resident in Israel at any time 
in the last 3,200 years.

<It is universally accepted that if your forefathers are
<born in a state and you have grown up with them in that same state,
<you have no citizenship in the state from which your forefathers
<originated.

British Palestine was not a state; it was a mandated
territory, the same as the mandated territories of 
Lebanon, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tanganyika, Togoland, 
Cameroon (British and French), Ruanda-Urundi, South 
West Africa, German Samoa, New Guinea, and Nauru.

<<And if, in 
<<fact, you :lost your citizenship and rights to 
<<your homeland" when "your forefathers migrate" 
<<from a country, do explain what Pallies are 
<<doing claiming a slice of Israel, since their 
<<forefathers migrated from it a few generations
<<ago. 

<I have made this point myself and so advocated peace and forgiveness
<in Israel. I even suggested that Palestinians should move out into the
<Middle East and not waste their lives with terrorism.

I second the motion. 

<<What specific acts of "terrorist atrocities against
<<UN approved 'peace keepers' did Jews commit during
<<WWII "when we were busy fighting Hitler?

<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,690-5823,00.html

The link produces:
TIMESONLINE
"The area you wish to access is behind registration."

What specific acts of "terrorist atrocities against
UN approved 'peace keepers' did Jews commit during
WWII "when we were busy fighting Hitler?

<<Taking into 
<<consideration the fact that Jews of Palestine fought 
<<on the Allied side against Hitler - as opposed to 
<<Arabs of Palestine, who were ardent Hitlerites 
<<prior to and during the war.

<URLS?
<Your remaining paragraphs call for examples. I hope you will not
<dismiss the ones above as being 'discredited.'

I can hardly dismiss them until I've seen them. 

See:
HM Sachar, History of Israel
CC O'Brien, The Siege
M Gilbert, Israel: A History
W Lacquer, B Rubin, The Israel-Arab Reader
 
See, also:
Muftism and Nazism
http://notendur.centrum.is/~snorrigb/muftism.htm

Hanjar SS
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/hanjar.html

Palestine Facts: Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

Deborah