Re: Resolution on Zionism Tainted U.N.

>><<<Zionism is racism. 
  
>><<Your proof?
 
><SNIP MY STUFF>
  
>>Does this blither mean you have no proof that Zionism is racism?
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Abstraction of Justice) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL 
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>What do you mean by proof? Ive given you a paragraph. It is rude for
>you to call it blither. If you think some part of it is bad then paste
>the bit that offends.

You stated:
"I suppose I could define Zionism as the Jewish Nationalist 
movement that supports Israel as the Jewish homeland, though 
in truth it rarely profits to define political or philosophical 
movements, they are after all terms that generalize large 
groups of people. Given the Naionalism and that 'Jews' can be
taken as a racial term, it makes sense to talk of Zionism as a form of
racialism. I guess racism was a bit strong. Perhaps this will get you
in a fluster and you will insist that Jews are not a race, but it does
not matter too much to me, if you feel your sect is better than
everyone else and deserves its own territory it is a form of
favouritism by one name or another. I personally do not feel offended
by Racialism, Nationalism or Religious favouritism. I guess if you are
tainted by the politically correct you might find the description of
Racialism to be an embarrassment."

That is your personal opinion, it does not contain a shred 
of proof that Zionism is racism.

>Do you mean proof in the logical sense, as a series of statements from
>premises to conclusions, the law of succession being logical
>implication? Bit of a silly thing for you to ask.

>From you, yes, it would seem so. 
 
<<<<<What else do you call invading a country, murdering
<<<<<the civilians, tyrannizing them, then calling their revenges
<<<<<'terrorism.' 

<<<<You call it the Arab-Israeli Wars and Arab attacks on Israel.

<<<The UN placed limits on the number of Jews in Israel 

<<When did the UN place limits on the number of Jews in Israel?

<I am not sure. Sometime before World War II I guess.

In case you haven't been keeping up on current events, 
the UN was not established until AFTER World War II. 
Specifically, 26 October 1945. Given that little fact
which you seem to have overlooked, how could the UN 
have placed limits on the number of Jews in Israel 
"sometime before World War II"?

<<<and the Jews
<<<responded by dumping thousands of people on Israel's shores in big
<<<boats (a famous example being the Exodus). 

<<So famous an example you don't seem to remember that the 
<<Exodus sailed before Israel was established, and that all 
<<passengers aboard the Exodus were transferred to British 
<<prison ships and thence to incarceration in German 
<<concentration camps, with the exception of those passengers
<<who died en route or who were killed by the British. As for 
<<the "thousands of people" aboard those "big boats", the 
<<majority were incarcerated, 40,000 of them in British 
<<concentation camps on Cyprus. 

<Well the strategy of the the Jews on the ships was to cause the UK an
<embarrassment. So we were left with a choice, overthrow the UN
<resolution and let the passengers in, which would have been to betray
<the Palestinian Arabs who were already up in arms about the Jewish
<invasion, or stay true to our promise to the UN to deter futher Jewish
<invaders. We chose the latter. On retrospect it still seems the best
<decision.

The strategy of the Jews on the ships was to get out 
of European concentration camps. (Contrary to your 
notions, the "ships" were not "big boats". Fex, the 
famous Exodus, fka the President Warfield, was a 
Chesapeake Bay steamer with a passenger capacity of 
900. When rammed by British destroyers in July 1947, 
she was carrying 4,515. )  Most of the ships utilized between 1945 and 
1948 carried far fewer refugees from Europe. 

I have no idea what you mean by "overthrow the UN resolution and let the 
passengers in." What resolution are you talking about? What "promise to 
the UN" were Jews supposed to "stay true to"? 

<<<The Jews then massacred the native Palestinians 

<<Jews WERE the "native Palestinians".
<Then why did they come from another country? Generally it is accepted
<that if your forefathers migrate for a few generations you lose your
<citizenship and rights to your homeland.

Mind translating that into English? And if, in 
fact, you :lost your citizenship and rights to 
your homeland" when "your forefathers migrate" 
from a country, do explain what Pallies are 
doing claiming a slice of Israel, since their 
forefathers migrated from it a few generations
ago. 

<<<and committed terrorist attrocities against the UN
<<<approved UK peace keepers. 

<<When did Jews commit terrorist atrocities against UN 
<<approved "peace keepers"?

<During WW II when we were busy fighting Hitler.

What specific acts of "terrorist atrocities against
UN approved 'peace keepers' did Jews commit during
WWII "when we were busy fighting Hitler? Taking into 
consideration the fact that Jews of Palestine fought 
on the Allied side against Hitler - as opposed to 
Arabs of Palestine, who were ardent Hitlerites 
prior to and during the war - what specific acts of 
"terrorist atrocities against UN approved 'peace 
keepers'" could Jews have possibly committed? 
ESPECIALLY since the UN did not exist until AFTER 
World War II? Got any specific DATES and INCIDENTS?

<<<Even though your forefathers have committed
<<<such acts I am prepared to tolerate your Zionism and forgive the
<<<Jewish terrorists their crimes. What I am not prepared to do is lie
<<<about your history and pretend it was the Arabs' fault. It is one
<<<thing for me to be an English Zionist, it is quite another for me to
<<<be a liar and braggard on your behalf.

<<You don't seem to have enough Jewish history to even
<<pretend about it.

<You have not supplied any information supporting the contrary. I am
<not an expert in Jewish history 

Apparently you are not an expert at any sort of history.

<but that does not make me take your
<claims at face value. It's funny that almost every single Jewish
<Zionist I meet seems to be an expert on Jewish history, then when I
<try to penetrate their knowledge it seems to wobble and vanish.

Provide specific dates and incidents for the "terrorist 
atrocities against UN approved 'peace keepers'" you 
claim Jews committed "During WW II when we were busy 
fighting Hitler." 

<<<<<You know the UN would love to leave Israel to it, but you
<<<<<lot keep on promoting such absurdities as Cultural Diversity and
<<<<<Antiracism Initiatives. Keep up the politically correct rubbish and
<<<<<Israel shall ever be the Pariah state. Now adopt Nationalism as the
<<<<<global good, with each race tidily tucked away in their homeland and
<<<<<we can all get on just fine.

<<<<Try peddling that notion to Muslim Arabs.

<<<You mean tell the Arabs to be more Nationalist and accept other
<<<people's Nationalism? Gladly and without exception. Since the Internet
<<<is the only means with which I can broadcast my opinion you can
<<<consider it done already. I have previously written articles defending
<<<Zionism, the future of Israel and urged Arabs to forgive, forget and
<<<leave Israel alone.

<<If that is true, which is rather doubtful, it's a lost cause. 

<Which bit do you find doubtful and why do you doubt it? Do you think I
<am an Islamic apologist? Whether it's a lost cause, or 'in the bag',
<is no matter to me.

I am waiting for you to produce specific dates and 
indicents for those "atrocities" you claim Jews 
committed against "UN approved peace keepers" at
any time "During WW II when we were busy fighting 
Hitler." 

Deborah