Re: What is Quackery?

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quackery was yesterdays alternative medicine, is
> > today's
> > > > > > > > > complementary
> > > > > > > > > > > > > medicine, and will be tomorrow's new branch of
> > medicine.
> > > > > What
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > considered Quackery is purely a matter of
politics.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > No, what is quackery is a matter of science. If the
> > > available
> > > > > > > > science
> > > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > not support it, it is quackery. Like chiropractic,
> > > naturopathy
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > homeopathy.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Correct. It never ceases to amuse me when these alties
> > pull
> > > the
> > > > > old
> > > > > > > > > > > "what is quackery is all politics" whine (which they
do
> > > > > frequently).
> > > > > > > > > > > With only a few exceptions, it's just not true.
Quackery
> > is
> > > > > > > unproven,
> > > > > > > > > > > unsafe, or demonstrably ineffective treatment being
> pushed
> > > as
> > > > > > > > effective
> > > > > > > > > > > treatment.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Like water fluoridation...?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   Water flouridation is a highly successful program.  Are
> you
> > a
> > > > > quack?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Water fluoridation has been proved to cause more
> > > > > > > > caries than it prevents.
> > > > > > > > Go read up on Basel..Switzerland.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Provide the URL for your assertion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Personally, I'd prefer a reference to a scientific study
published
> > in
> > > > > > the peer-reviewed scientific literature. Anyone can come up with
a
> > URL
> > > > > > to some anti-fluoridation site run by "advocates," and I'm sure
> > "Jez"
> > > is
> > > > > > quite capable of coming up with the URL to some kook site or
> other.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Aww  more asshole-ness
> > > >
> > > > If it's "asshole-ness" to ask you to produce a well-designed
> scientific
> > > > study to support your assertion, then so be it. I'll add to the
> > > > "asshole-ness" by pointing out that you dodged the question,
> preferring
> > > > the ad hominem attack to actually supporting your assertions.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do your own fucking research.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'm against mass-medication...so therefore must be a 'kook'
> > > >
> > > > Not necessarily you, but several of the anti-fluoridation sites I've
> > > > seen are clearly run by kooks. And I bet you've seen them all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Not with the Nazis were ya?
> > > >
> > > > I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. You lose.
> > > Oh good.
> > > What did I lose exactly?
> >
> > Any semblence of credibility.
> >
> From people who approve the mass medication of the population,

Oh? Where did I say that? I do advocate for proper treatment. That has
nothing to do with mass medication.

and
> the drugging of our children because our teachers are too useless
> (Or tied up with red-tape)
> to teach them properly.

No, I do not advocate for that either. I advocate for proper treatment for a
real medical disorder ath interferes with a child's ability to learn,
regardless of what the teacher does.

> Wow ! what a loss !

Obviously, you do not value yourself enough. Sad that.