Re: Medicare Means Test

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:41:46 -0700, "Founding Father" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>"Gretchen Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:49:53 -0700, "Founding Father" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> >"Gretchen Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:52:49 -0700, "Founding Father" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> >> >"Gretchen Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> >> >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 02:10:47 -0700, "Founding Father" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >> wrote:
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>> >> >> >"Gretchen Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> >> >> >> On 7 Nov 2003 12:54:34 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Herman
>> >> >> >> Rubin) wrote:
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>> >> >> >> >Libertarians would pay a lot less if they only funded the
>> >> >> >> >military and related budget, and you totalitarians had to
>> >> >> >> >fund the much greater welfare budget.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I assume that the standard policy of the libertarians is to
>simply
>> >> >> >> allow the less fortunate die in the steets to save funds? Good
>> >> >> >> thinking, with your plan we've got a massive military and people
>> >> >> >> starving.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> pixie
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You tell us - when did homelessness become a "structural problem" -
>> >> >before
>> >> >> >or after the Great Society and its massive increases in social
>welfare
>> >> >> >spending?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We've always had some homeless as anyone with common sense would
>> >> >> admit.. A large portion of the problem came about when the Reps...
>> >> >> under the addled Ronnie... made he decision to dump all the marginal
>> >> >> psych cases out of confined care and into the streets.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just one more example of their brand of 'compassion'
>> >> >>
>> >> >> pixie
>> >> >
>> >> >There you go again.  I can't tell if you're lying or just relentlessly
>> >> >ignorant, so filled with hatred of Reagan and the right that you just
>> >> >mindlessly parrot the lies that the left wing media spew forth.
>> >> >
>> >> Typical Republican nonsense.. Anyone who disagrees with Ronnie's
>> >> actions is immediately labeled with 'hatrid', etc., An asinine claim.
>> >>
>> >> >Deinstitutionalization started in the 60s and was largely a fait
>accompli
>> >by
>> >> >the end of the 70s.  As I recall, it was largely a
>> >> >group of fanatics opposed to the idea that mental illness is a
>disease.
>> >> >They were aided by activist lawyers who did everything possible to
>> >prevent
>> >> >treating these patients "against their will."  Even now it is almost
>> >> >impossible to institutionalize violent repeat offenders who are
>mentally
>> >> >ill.  ALCU types even go around to street people and tell them they
>have
>> >a
>> >> >"right" to stay on the street in the freezing cold.  The left is even
>> >> >raising a big stink :-) about laws prohibiting public defecation.  As
>> >usual,
>> >> >it's the liberals messing things up.
>> >> >
>> >> And do you recall Ronnie making the statement that the homeless were
>> >> wandering the streets 'by choice'?
>> >
>> >Some clearly do.  And the mentally ill are left there "by choice" because
>> >liberals pass laws and issue judicial rulings preventing us from taking
>them
>> >off the streets "against their will."
>>
>> And just how can in individual with imparied cognitive abilities make
>> such a choice?  Yes there were a number of suits filed against illegal
>> detainment, but it was the 'compassionate conservaties' that pushed
>> the main group out into the streets.  Don't forget that
>> >
>> >>  And let us also not forget that
>> >> many of the 'fanatics' were strongly supported by the 'compassionate
>> >> conservatives' who wanted to cut mental health spending even then.
>> >
>> >There were no conservatives in power at the time (i.e., before 1980).
>> >Goldwater had gotten routed in 1964 and taken down the few conservatives
>> >with him.  Nixon was no conservative.  And in any case, the liberal
>> >Democrats had a total lock on the House fo 40 years and the Senate almost
>> >that long.
>> >
>> And, of course, there were no state actions taken at all.  Yeah, right
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>You really are clueless when it comes to politics.  What makes you think the
>distribution of Democrats and Republicans in state legislatures was that
>different from the U.S. House, which was set up to mirror the total
>electorate as closely as possible?  Do you think you know what you're
>talking about and don't need to look any thing up, or are you happy enough
>to just make "facts" up in your mind to suit your ideology?

That's really a laugh.. You call me 'clueless' and then make an
asinine statement such as the above.  Do you REALLY believe that the
various state legislatures 'mirror' the actions taken by the Feds as
'closely as possible'.. Get your head out of whatever oriface you have
it stuck in today
>
>>From The Emerging Republican Majority
>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/20/opinion/main578951.shtml
>
>In 1992, Democrats captured 59 percent of state legislative seats (4,344 to
>3,031 for Republicans). Ten years later, Republicans won their first
>majority (3,684 to 3,626) of state legislators since 1952.
>

And your point is?  election of a majority of a particular party
certainly doesn't indicate anything like your claim. 

>> >> >Beyond that, it is not even clear that deinstitutionalization actually
>> >> >caused homelessness.  See the following (and note that this is from a
>> >> >decidedly left wing source):
>> >> >
>> >> Why of course it didn't... Tossing a large group of people unable to
>> >> fully care for themselves out on the streets simply caused a slight
>> >> traffic congestion.  Yep, right..
>> >>
>> >> >Deinstitutionalization and the Homeless Mentally Ill
>> >> >by H. Richard Lamb
>> >> >http://www.interactivist.net/housing/deinstitutionalization_1.html
>> >> >
>> >> >A Brief History of Deinstitutionalization
>> >> >http://www.interactivist.net/housing/deinstitutionalization_2.html
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Try again
>> >>
>> >> pixie
>> >
>> >Why bother?  You're as immune to facts as George.
>> >
>> And you, sir, are just as immune to compassion for others
>>
>> pixie
>
>There you go again.  The man who resists a thief lacks compassion for the
>thief.
>

>Compassion without brains is useless at best, and more likely results in the
>opposite of the intended effect.
>
Indifference to others indicates abject ignorance. As to your claimed
'results' I didn't realize that you possessed supernatural powers and
could see into the future.  Just continue with those thoughts, the
nice men in the white cots will be along soon.

pixie



pixie