Re: Re: Is religion antithetical to democracy [formerly: Are Islam and Democracy Incompatible?]

"neptune3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On 26 Nov 2003 04:35:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tg) wrote:
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> >Democracy, as  a means of making decisions, has nothing to do with the
> >freedom of individuals within the society to act as they wish. As long
> >as the sanctions of the religion do not overlap the sanctions of the
> >state, there is no inherent conflict.
> >There can certainly be a democratic and secular state which imposes
> >restrictions on citizens indistinguishable from those of religion. The
> >USA, for example, could outlaw homosexual sex whether the
> >fundamentalists existed or not. It is the constitution which protects
> >the rights, not democracy.
> >
> >Remember, the Pope is elected. I just thought of this while
> >writing---does this mean that God influences the cardinals, or would
> >the UN certify the election as fair? Too confusing; I'll stick to the
> >constitution.
>
> http://www.blessedcause.org/Militant%20Intent.htm
> GAY MILITANT INTENT:   OUR KIDS
>
> From Concerned Women From America
> by Beverly LaHaye
>
> Dear Concerned American,
> What I am about to tell you in this letter is so outrageous you may
> find it
> hard to believe.  I was astounded myself. I could not believe that our
> nation had fallen so far.  But the reports here are true.
> I have warned many times that our children are under attack.  Now I'm
> writing to sound the alarm that the situation is even worse than I
> thought.
> I'll tell you more details in a moment, but here's just a sample of
> what
> I've discovered:
> Cross-dressing promoted to grade-school children
> Graphic instruction in "gay" sex taught to teenage boys and girls
> Armed guards posted to keep parents out of high school assemblies led
> by
> radical homosexual activists
> A book - published by a taxpayer-funded university - that endorses sex
> between children and adults!
>
> I've warned about this for many years.  Now the evidence is beyond
> dispute:
> there is an evil scheme aimed at destroying our children.
> The attack comes on many fronts.  It aims to expose children to sex at
> earlier and earlier ages... to rob them of their innocence and open
> them up
> to immoral and unhealthy practices... to set them up to accept
> messages of
> "safe sex" and homosexuality... to usher them into becoming advocates
> for -
> and ultimately participants in - sexual promiscuity, sodomy,
> bisexuality,
> and transgenderism.
> These reports confirm my worst fears about this scheme.  The time is
> short!
> Radical homosexual activists have long said, "Whoever controls the
> schools,
> controls the future."  If they can convince the next generation that
> homosexuality is "just another lifestyle," there will be no stopping
> them.
> Even more chilling:  If they can lure a whole generation of young
> people to
> explore "alternative" sexual behavior... to discover their "gay
> side"...
> they will have a whole new generation of young, willing sex partners.
> Their first step is to promote gender confusion.  Nothing I have ever
> seen
> promises to confuse kids more than a lesson guide obtained and given
> to me
> by one of the researchers here at CWA.
> GRADE SCHOOL LESSON PROMOTES CROSS-DRESSING
> The Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network, also known as
> "GLSEN, is
> pushing a grade-school curriculum book that promotes cross-dressing.
> This
> book was created by a homosexual parents group at the Buena Vista
> Elementary
> School in San Francisco.  It includes a lesson based on a children's
> book
> titled "Jesse's Dream Skirt."
> As incredible as it sounds, this is real!
> The story is about a young boy named Jesse who likes trying on his
> mother's
> dresses, and dreams of a skirt "that whirled, twirled, flowed and
> glowed,
> and felt soft inside."
> Jesse's mom helps him make a skirt, and he wears it to daycare, where
> his
> classmates make fun of him.  The daycare teacher, Bruce, gathers the
> children together and says, "Jesse loves his skirt.  Why are some of
> you
> making fun of him?"  A girl says, "Well, I wear pants.  Why can't
> Jesse wear
> a skirt?"
> A boy, Mike, says that one day his mother let him dress upin her old
> dresses
> and hats.  "It was a lot of fun," he said, until his father came in
> and
> yelled at him, saying, "Take off that dress, I don't want my son to be
> a
> sissy!"  Mike told his daycare classmates, "I don't know, - I still
> don't
> see what was wrong with it."
> The children and their teacher discuss the issue and most of hte
> children
> end up liking Jesse's skirt.  Some even start making dresses
> themselves.
> The book ends with Jesse twirling around in his "dream skirt," with
> his
> boy-style underwear showing.  The companion lesson plan says the "key
> message" of "Jesse's Dream Skirt" is: "Respect means keeping our minds
> open.
> Having open minds means giving people freedom to be who they want to
> be."
> I don't know what's worse: encouraging boys to wear dresses, or the
> negative
> portrayal of Mike's father.  Children who study "Jesse's Dream Skirt"
> are
> getting the message that their parents' view of morality cannot be
> trusted.
> Lest you think this sort of insanity is restricted to California, take
> a
> loot at this next report, straight from the Midwest.
> Armed Security Guard Ejects Mother of Student from School Assembly on
> Homosexuality
> This really made me angry when I heard about it!
> The incident took place in St. Louis, Missouri last year just after
> school
> had started for fall.  Debra Loveless, whose daughter attends Metro
> High
> School, heard that GLESEN was conducting a school-sponsored assembly.
> Loveless had told school officials that she considered the event
> inappropriate.  When she tried to view it for herself, she was
> escorted out
> of the assembly by an armed security guard.  (Just for wanting to view
> it!)
> Can you believe the arrogance of those school administrators!
> We may never know all of what those dear young people were exposed to
> during
> that assembly.  But if GLSEN's past performance is any indication, the
> material was corrupting an destructive.
> GLESEN has produced some of the most foul "educational" material in
> the
> dishonorable history of sex education.  Two years ago, CWA uncovered a
> pornographic teaching session conducted in Massachusetts by GLSEN.
> During that workshop, homosexual instructors indoctrinated children as
> young
> as 14 years old.  The children heard detailed descriptions of
> perverted sex
> acts, including the dangerous practice known in homosexual slang as
> "fisting." After it was exposed, that session sparked outrage across
> the
> nation.  It was such a scandal that it became known as "Fistgate."
> GLSEN
> leaders responded by becoming much more secretive.  Apparently this
> has led
> them to keep parents out of their workshops like the one in St. Louis.
> So it has come to this.  Our tax dollars foot the bill for homosexual
> propaganda to poison our children's minds and defile their hearts.
> And when
> parents want to find out what's going on, they get thrown out of
> public
> schools by armed guards!
> It's time for parents and grandparents to stand up and fight to
> protect our
> children.  We can't think that just because it hasn't happened in our
> school
> yet that it never will!  The radical homosexual activists won't stop
> with
> just the California schools.  They won't stop with just the big city
> schools.  They won't stop until they have reached every school in the
> nation.
> DANGEROUS NEW BOOK PROVIDES ACADEMIC "COVER" FOR PEDOPHILES AND CHILD
> MOLESTERS
> The University of Minnesota Press has just published Judith Levine's
> Harmful
> to Minors:  The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex.  This book
> includes
> such outrageous statements as, "Sex is not harmful to children...
> There are
> many ways even the smallesst children can partake of it."
> On another page, the author gushes over a "lush and mysterious" photo
> of a
> "naked 3- or 4-year-old."  Quoting a variety of pedophiles, Levine
> says
> children are not necessarily harmed by sex with adults.
> She also advocates that America adopt a law like Holland's that
> legalizes
> sex between adults and children as young as 12!
> It's unbelievable, but this book is defended by the liberal media
> elite.
> I'm shocked and heartbroken.  But we should not be surprised.
> America's
> standars of sexual morality have been belittled as "taboos," and been
> worn
> down step by step.  Today, almost nothing is off limits.
> Sex between adults and children is just the next barrier to be torn
> down.
> How long will it take these radical activists to achieve their next
> evil
> objective?
> Our grade-school children are already being taught that cross-dressing
> is
> just wonderful self-expression.  Graphic details of perverted sex
> practices
> are already being taught to high school children, and parents are
> being
> locked out of assemblies taught by radical homosexual activisits.
> We must - and we can - stop this.  NOW!
> I grieve for our children and grandchildren.  And I fear for our
> nation if
> we do not stand up to this assault of immorality and defeat it.  I was
> reminded of a passage in the Old Testament book of the prophet
> Ezekiel.  In
> Chapter 22, the Lord recounts the many sins of Jerusalem, including
> many
> examples of sexual immorality and perversity.  Finally God says,
> "I sought for a man among them who should build up the wall and stand
> in the
> breach before me for the land, that I should not destroy it; but I
> found
> none."
> We need people who stand in the gap for our children and for America.
> I ask
> you to do three things.  First, pray.  This attack is spiritual, and
> we must
> fight back on our knees to defend our schools and our children.
> Next, [join Concerned Women for America, contact through the web at
> www.cwfa.org.  This organization organizes petitions, etc.]
> Finally, send a gift to help CWA fight our part of the battle (to CWA
> not
> BlessedCause, no affiliation)
>
> If we act together, we can stand in the gap and halt this stealthy
> assault
> on our children.
> I have CWA's tireless staff hitting this issue head on.  We're
> knocking on
> doors of policymakers on Capitol Hill.  We're taking the debate to the
> networks, the cable TV channels, and the newspapers that shape public
> opinion.  And we're keeping a close eye on the evildoers to expose
> them when
> they make their next move.
> To do all of this we need your help.  Your gift today will help CWA
> maintain
> our powerful voice in defense of Biblical values.
> More and more, the pro-family movement is turning to CWA for
> leadership.  If
> we are unable to stand in the gap for our children, who will do it?
> We know
> the radical homosexual activists and all their allies intent on
> corrupting
> our children will not give up.  They think they can lure our children
> into
> depravity while we sit by and do nothing.
> I refuse to allow it!
> Please join with me to stop this wicked agenda now.
> Sincerely,
> Beverly LaHaye
> Founder and Chairman
> PS  I've learned that GLSEN now boasts a budget of 3.5 million and a
> membership of more than 1,200 homosexual-activist educators.  Their
> mission
> is to promote homosexuality and gender confusion in the schools under
> any
> guise that works.  We must take strong, decisive action now before we
> lose
> our schools!
>
Sounds to me like someone cannot distinguish between hallucination generated
by irrational fears and reality.


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