Re: The Armed Citizen - Missouri

"Some Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:05:34 -0500, "Some Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >"Yardpilot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > >> "Some Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > >> ...
> > >> > http://tinyurl.com/x3ty
> > >> >
> > >> > In figure 1, the US has the highest gun suicide rate, in figure 2,
> the
> > >> > lowest non-gun suicide rate. However, If *all* the gun suicides
were
> > >> > eliminated, the US rate would only be a bit less than Spain, for
> > >example.
> > >> > Who is to say the US suicide rate shouldn't and couldn't be the
same
> as
> > >> > Spain's?
> > >>
> > >> Go take a statistics class. You are not showing anything approaching
> > >> causation.
> > >
> > >I don't have to prove causation to you. You have to prove it to me.
> > >
> > >Given that: 1. guns are the means used in the majority of suicides (not
> to
> > >mention homicides),  2. the public is strongly in favor of all kinds of
> > >firearms regulation ideas, and 3. there is no convincing reason to have
> them
> > >in the first place; regulate them, effectively. If it turns out not to
> work,
> > >oh well, nothing lost.
> >
> > 1) YOU need to prove that the elimination of guns would reduce
> > the suicide rate.
>
> No I don't. All I have to show it's reasonable to beleive it might.

Well since you have yet to do that......you still lose.

Oh, and suicide is means independent which means that you're going to have a
hard time showing that it's reasonable to believe that it might.

> 2) You also need to prove that " the public is
> > strongly in favor of all kinds of firearms regulation ideas". 3) If we
> > did what you are sugesting and it turned out "not to work" we would
> > have lost our freedom.  that is far from "nothing".
>
> http://www.mppgv.org/public%20opinion.htm
>
> SG
>
>