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Morton Davis wrote:
"David Lentz" <dlentz10@/*NOSPAM*/rochester.rr.com> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Speedbyrd wrote:
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And that can be changed and that is what I'm doing my part to help to
happen.
You anti-government radicals make me tired. You wouldn't be such a
bigmouth without the firearm. It's go to
go.
I find it amusing that my simple assertion of a fundamental right to keep and bear arms is labeled as as anti government tirade. I also note that the same hoplophobe finds the Constitution be to an impediment, much like B.J. Clinton did and the United Nations does.
David
I'm thrilled that you're amused. Bearing arms is NOT a right, whether you like it or not.
The Speedbyrd :>
It seems almost unfair to pick on the historically challenged. Such is life:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
A citizen of the United States is assumed to have the God given right to dissolve his political bonds. So said Thomas Jefferson. So we did absolve are bonds to King George. For a free citizenry to retain her inherent power to absolve her government, she must remain armed. The militia was armed on April 19, 1775 and free citizens must retains that same right today.
Question: If you sent a copy of the Declaration of Independence, without its title, to Teddy Kennedy, would he recognize it? Or would he carry it into the Congress with him and denounce it the way he did a direct quote from Thomas Jefferson?
-*MORT*-
That's funny BrainDead! As YOU "recognized" 'direct quotes' from Jefferson and Washington that NEITHER ever said, and posted them as if they were real! Remember? May 2001:
YOU are a lying, disingenuous, uneducable troll!
Here's a fuller version:
"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.
They are the American people's liberty, teeth and keystone under
independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and
citizens' firearms are indelibly related. From the hour the
pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and
tendencies prove that, to ensure peace, security and happiness,
the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of
this land knows firearms, and more than 99 and 99/100 percent of
them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane
hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere
restrains evil influence. They deserve a place of honor with all
that's good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every
hour." - George Washington's address to the second congress.
Only one little problem: IT'S a HOAX! HE NEVER SAID IT!
My original premise -- that the use of selective, edited,
out-of-context quotes was not a reliable guide for interpreting
the intent of the authors of a document -- is trumped by the
fact that the quote above, attributed to G. Washington, IS
TOTALLY FALSE!
MORT should have done his homework, besides just taking the quote out of context. He should have gone to guntruths.com (a PRO-GUN site, so you KNOW they have no reason to lie about it!) and found this piece of advice:
------------------------------------------ False Quotations and Other Misinformation
Factual accuracy is a key essential in the fight to retain our rights. However, in view of the media's overtly liberal and/or socialist bias, and their intentional misrepresentations, not to mention the ease with which false information can get promulgated and repeated via the Internet, factual accuracy is often the first casualty. For this reason, GunTruths.com has identified several purported quotations from prominent historical figures which are false, or which cannot be positively authenticated, and must therefore be treated as false.
Visitors to this site should review the quotes below and should avoid using or referring to them.
George Washington "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty, teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizens' firearms are indelibly related. From the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that, to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 and 99-100 percent of them by their silence indicate they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil influence. They deserve a place of honor with all that's good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour."
This quotation is usually cited as George Washington's address to the second session of the First U.S. Congress. However, this statement does not appear in that address, nor has it ever been documented that Pres. Washington ever made this statement. It should therefore be considered a hoax and not relied upon. -----------------------------------
Did you get that MORT? IT'S a HOAX! It's MADE UP! It's BOGUS! And you swallow all the rest of the hoplophile BS without checking it out! This example alone should make all you say suspect, since it is founded on LIES!
Therefore, it obviously has nothing to do with what George had
to say about the second amendment. AND Washington didn't SAY ANY
of what MORT claims he said because the whole cite IS A LYING
HOAX!
MORT is a foul-mouthed and bilious liar. And on this heap of
bogus, phony, irrelevant, and out-of-context quotes, he would
build his argument of what the Founding Fathers intended, as if
they ALL had the same opinion, anyway!
-*MORT*-
Brain DEAD!
And June 2001:
Morton Davis wrote:
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson
Are you sure it wasn't Tim McVeigh who said that....?
Well it WASN'T Jefferson! Mort is a consistent and uneducable liar! He has been repeatedly shown that this quote is BOGUS, yet he keeps posting it!
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