Re: The Armed Citizen - Missouri

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> >> >> >> > > > "Jani Tor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> >> >> >> > > > > > It sounds like it would accomplish nothing
> >> >> >> > > > > > and cost lots of
> >> >> > money.
> >> >> >> > Try
> >> >> >> > > > > > showing some mechanism by which such a
> >> >> >> > > > > > system would accomplish
> >> >> >> > > anything.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > I think it sounds extremely logical. What's
> >> >> >> > > > your solution to the industrialized world's
> >> >> >> > > > highest gun-suicide and gun-homicide rate?
> >> >> > (Ref
> >> >> >> > > > Killias).
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Well I bet it wouldn't be fighting the symptoms,
> >> >> >> > > but actually going
> >> >> >> after
> >> >> >> > > the causes. In short a real solution, not a
> >> >> >> > > fuzzy feel good "chicken
> >> >> >> soap"
> >> >> >> > > approach.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So let's hear it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hear what?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You're the one claiming to have the "solution". Odd
> >> >> >> that you can't articulate anything but the same,
> >> >> >> tried, useless and ineffective approach which treats
> >> >> >> the symptom rather than the cause.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Liberalizing concealed carry laws won't lead to a
> >> >> > return to the Wild West - though it wouldn't be bad
> >> >> > if it did. ... in 19th Century cattle towns, homicide
> >> >> > was confined to transient males who shot each other
> >> >> > in saloon disturbances. The per capital robbery rate
> >> >> > was 7% of modern New York City's. The burglary rate
> >> >> > was 1%. Rape was unknown." David Kopel - quoted in
> >> >> > the WSJ 28 Feb 1994 in "Have Gun, Will Eat Out"
> >> >>
> >> >> Kopout, eh?  What's his source for "in 19th Century
> >> >> cattle towns, homicide was confined to transient males
> >> >> who shot each other in saloon disturbances."
> >> >>
> >> >> Sounds more like a movie review than historical fact.
> >> >> Cite his source, or admit it's bogus.
> >> >
> >> > %%%% I guess you socialist hatred for freedom has
> >> > blinded you to the cite given at the end of the quote!
> >> > (snicker)
> >>
> >> No, I want Kopel's own citation for whoever says "in 19th
> >> Century cattle towns, homicide was confined to transient
> >> males who shot each other in saloon disturbances."
> >>
> >> Only a complete idiot would say something like that.  I'd
> >> just like to know who the idiot was, besides you and
> >> Kopel.
> >
> > %%%% Your concession is accepted!
>
> You have some 'splainin to do, Muppet.
>
> > In Chicago, 1988 saw more murderers using baseball bats
> > than rifles. -- James Jay Baker, before the US House of
> > Representatives, 11/1/89
>
> [begin excerpt]
>
> Bureau of Justice Statistics
>
> Homicide trends in the United States
>
> www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide
>
> Homicides by weapon type
>
>   Other Blunt Other
> Year Handgun  gun     Knife object weapon
> 1976 8,651   3,328 3,343 912 2,546
> 1977 8,563   3,391 3,648 900 2,618
> 1978 8,879   3,569 3,685 937 2,490
> 1979 9,858   3,732 4,121 1,039 2,710
> 1980 10,552   3,834 4,439 1,153 3,061
> 1981 10,324   3,740 4,364 1,166 2,927
> 1982 9,138   3,501 4,381 1,032 2,957
> 1983 8,473   2,794 4,214 1,098 2,730
> 1984 8,183   2,835 3,956 1,090 2,626
> 1985 8,164   2,973 3,997 1,052 2,795
> 1986 9,054   3,126 4,235 1,176 3,018
> 1987 8,781   3,094 4,076 1,169 2,980
> 1988 9,375   3,162 3,978 1,296 2,869
> 1989 10,225   3,197 3,923 1,279 2,877
> 1990 11,677   3,395 4,077 1,254 3,037
>
> [end excerpt]
>
> So in 1989, there were 13,422 gun homicides, and 1,279
> homicides using blunt objects, of which baseball bats would
> be an even smaller subset.
>
> James Jay Baker obscures the truth with bullshit like
> forgetting to mention that firearms accounted for many more
> homicides than baseball bats.
>
> Failed again, eh Muppet?
>
> Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh...

%%%% (snicker) Why don't you ask James Jay Baker who lives there. Statistics
lie and liers use statistics!!  :o)

"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street
with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 US
murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?" -- 
Andrew Ford

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