Re: The adventures of Disarmament Man

"Seb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> "Jim Yanik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> "Seb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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>> > "Lurch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> >> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:48:01 +1000, "Paul \(Oz\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
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>> >> >And another point, if someone breaks into my house his life is
>> >> >*not* as valuable as those of my wife, children and myself.
>> >> >
>> >> ><snip>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> (nods head vigorously)
>> >>
>> >> The intruder is not valuable AT ALL to me if they are breaking
>> >> into my house/stealing my stuff/threatening my person.
>> >> Some people assume all human life is of equal value, that holds
>> >> true right up until the point where an individual decides that he
>> >> can take anothers property/life/health for himself.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Mark
>> >
>> > Perhaps that is our difference. As far as I am concerned only my
>> > life and that of my friends and family only becomes more valuable
>> > when he is intent on taking one of their lives. The thing is
>> > however, I'm not convinced such a judgement could possibly be made
>> > in a situation such as a domestic.
>> >
>> > I don't believe a person stealing my property even slightly gives
>> > me the right take their life or even harm them. Until they threaten
>> > life, I cannot do the equivalent to them.
>> >
>> > ~Seb
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>> >
>> >
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>> If someone breaks into an occupied dwelling,you cannot be -certain-
> exactly
>> what their intent is,until they leave and you're still alive and
>> unharmed. You RISK being killed,or raped,or beaten(to tell where the
>> valuables are),you take a very big CHANCE that the intruder means you
>> no harm.And they can change their mind without warning,too.Maybe they
>> decide to not leave any witnesses.
>>
>> Suppose the 'burglar' wants to "tie you up for your own
>> safety",assuring you no harm,do you let him?
>>
>> Why should someone stand by and allow an intruder to take their
>> possessions? Just so they are not taking a life? Let the intruder
>> risk THEIR life to steal from you in your own home.After all,shooting
>> someone does NOT always result in their death,and the crims are often
>> arrested 
> when
>> seeking medical care for gunshot wounds,which doctors are REQUIRED to
>> report to LEO.
>>
> They shouldn't, but I'm just saying my moral responsibility not to
> kill someone for a crime that carries such a low penalty by societies
> standard. 

First,shooting someone does NOT always result in their death. 
Second,shooting them insures that they cannot harm you,whatever their 
original intent may have been,as that's unknown and subject to chance at 
their whim.Third,it provides incentive for criminals to NOT enter occupied 
homes.Fourth,it insures that crook is not going to do the same or WORSE at 
the next person's home.
> 
> Coming up with all these scenarios of them raping or attacking me are
> pointless as I said if he saw it fit to attack ME, then I wouldn't
> hesitate to reply.
> 
> ~Seb
> 
> 
> 

You never answered this part;
>> Suppose the 'burglar' wants to "tie you up for your own
>> safety",assuring you no harm,do you let him?

How about it? He assured you he wouldn't harm you.

And,how close to you would you allow him to get,before you decided it was 
an attack? What if he approached with his hands open and arms out 
sideways,showing he 'meant no harm'? How close are you going to let him get 
before shooting him?

-- 
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net