Re: The Armed Citizen - Missouri

"Some Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "David Moffitt" <weaselkiller@ prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > > "Some Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > > > "David Lentz" <dlentz10@/*NOSPAM*/rochester.rr.com> wrote in
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> > > > > > Some Guy wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yea, that certainly has worked in DC. After all the
> registration
> > > > > system
> > > > > > > > there is no workable that NO ONE can legally register a
> handgun
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > district, and since it's mandatory for all handguns to be
> > > > > registered.....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yet, the criminals have and use more handguns for crime than
> > ever
> > > > > before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Seems like your "workable system" doesn't apply to
criminals,
> > and
> > > > > never
> > > > > > > > could.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It just proves patchwork controls don't work. An effective
> > solution
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > have to be country-wide to avoid state-state transfers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The above author makes an interesting assertion, that while
state
> > > > > > gun control does not work, national gun control would  It is an
> > > > > > interesting, albeit amusing opinion.  Yet no evidence was
> > > > > > provided which to support it and no evidence can be provided.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, we do have some contradictory evidence. Prohibition and the
> WoD.
> > > > Both
> > > > > of which work on a national level and isn't a "patchwork" of
> controls.
> > > > Seems
> > > > > that the first didn't work, and the second isn't working. One can
> only
> > > > > wonder why he feels a 3rd attempt will be any more successful that
> the
> > > > > miserable failures that went before it.
> > > >
> > > > Name one industriallized country that has effective gun controls and
> > also
> > > > has a higher gun homicide rate than the US. Or a higher gun suicide
> > rate.
> > >
> > > Hmmm....so you're telling me that industrialization is a major factor
in
> > > violent crime?
> > >
> > > Second, why are you concerned with just gun rates? Are you telling me
> it's
> > > acceptable to murder people as long as they aren't shot? Seems like
your
> > > conditions are rather selective and will result in a biased result
> because
> > > of that.
> > >
> > > Oh, and I will note that your use of the term "effective" means you
can
> > > disavow any rates that show they have a higher rate simply by
asserting
> > that
> > > their gun control is clearly ineffective no matter how restrictive it
> > might
> > > be.
> > >
> > > Rather a self serving set of criteria you set up there.
> >
> >
> > "They are designed to kill as many people as possibble." Assault
weapons?
> > No, hands and feet. (Ex-)New York Gov. Mario Cuomo has joined the fight
> > against semi-automatic guns, but state crime figures show that his
energy
> is
> > being misdirected. In 1992, the latest year for which detailed figures
are
> > available, semi-automatic, large-capacity rifles killed 20 people in New
> > York state, That's 0.8 percent of the state's 2,394 murders. But hands
and
> > feet beating and stomping accounted for 117 murders. That's nearly six
> times
> > the number caused by assault weapons. -- Reason Magazine, May 1994
>
> Are you confusing assault-type weapons with guns in general? Or did you
fail
> to realize that the overall number of assault weapons has to be known to
get
> an idea of how often they are misused. That is, if there are very few
> assault weapons out there, even if they are used in few crimes, they may
be
> dangerous. I don't know the answer to that, but since you're the one who
> brought it up, you're the one who should make a proper case.

"Last year, I surveyed the firearms used in violent crimes... assault-type
firearms were the least of our worries. It's really the .22 and .38-caliber
handguns and 12-gauge shotguns that inflict the majority of carnage."
An October 31, 1988 memo from S.C. Helsley, the then-Assistant Director of
the California DOJ Investigation and Enforcement Branch.

> SG
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