Re: The 2ed Amendment as a Gun Nuts Wet Dream

Chris Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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>>>>Chris Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
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>>>>>>Why do you have to delete half the militia amendment to
>>>>>>make it say what you want?
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is no "militia amendment", you crossburning
>>>>> imbecile. 
>>>>
>>>>You can't cite any of the framers of the U.S.
>>>>Constitution or the Bill of Rights who say otherwise, can
>>>>you Jumble Jim? 
>>> 
>>> Lee Harrison can't cite any framers who say that it is.
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>>How about all of them, Jumbles?  Cite one Framer of the 
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> How about none of them, you crossburning freak?

That's what you've got, Jumbles - none of the framers of the 
US Constitution or the Bill of Rights ever said the Second 
Amendment was supposed to grant personal gun rights.
 
> Lee Harrison wants to limit gun ownership to selected White
> people, and for exactly the same reason as Nathan Bedford
> Forrest. 

I cited John Adams, Jumble Jim.  I can also cite James 
Madison and the actual debate on the militia amendment in the 
First Congress in the summer & fall of 1789; Joseph Story, 
Judge Roberts and dozens of state & federal gun cases from 
the 19th & 20th & even the 21st Centuries.

And you have nothing...

POINT PROVEN!

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The clause in the constitution of the United States, that it 
is said to be in violation of, is the 2d article of the 
amendments: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the 
security of a free state, the right of the people to keep 
and bear arms shall not be infringed."  O. & W. Dig. 7.  The 
clause in the constitution of this state, which it is said 
to violate, is the 13th section of the bill of rights: 
"Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms, 
in the lawful defense of himself or the state." O. & W. Dig. 
14.

The object of the clause first cited, has reference to the 
perpetuation of free government, and is based on the idea, 
that the people cannot be effectually oppressed and 
enslaved, who are not first disarmed. The clause cited in 
our bill of rights, has the same broad object in relation to 
the government, and in addition thereto, secures a personal 
right to the citizen.  The right of a citizen to bear arms, 
in the lawful defense of himself or the state, is absolute. 
He does not derive it from the state government, but 
directly from the sovereign convention of the people that 
framed the state government.

The clause cited in our bill of rights, has the same broad 
object in relation to the government, and in addition 
thereto, secures a personal right to the citizen.

The right of a citizen to bear arms, in the lawful defense 
of himself or the state, is absolute. He does not derive it 
from the state government, but directly from the sovereign 
convention of the people that framed the state government. 
It is one of the "high powers" delegated directly to the 
citizen, and "is excepted out of the general powers of 
government."  A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or 
impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of 
the law-making power.

Cockrum v. State, 24 Texas 394 (1859)

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