Re: Guns cause suicide?

"Some Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Mongo Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > >In talk.politics.guns "Some Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > >"COGunWoman55" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > >> Interesting suicide rate chart, comparing nations:
> > >> http://tinyurl.com/wk4i
> > >
> > >The old causation gambit.
> > >
> > >Of course an inanimate object doesn't cause anything. But what do you
> think
> > >will be the difference in outcome to a suicidal person if he tries a
> non-gun
> > >method (average 5% "success" rate) or a gun (85% "success" rate).
> > >
> > >It's common sense. The country-by-country comparison is irrelevant.
> >
> > They'll find a successful way to kill themselves. People all over the
> > world manage, proving the lack of cultural bias.
> >
> > >Just ask  yourself, if you had a friend who had a clinically depressed
> > >teenage son, and your friend asked you if he should buy a gun, what
would
> > >you say to him?
> >
> > "Let me know when you get it and we'll go to the range together."
> >
> > >By the say, Kleck claims there is no relationship between suicide rates
> and
> > >gun ownership, but he had to jump through some complicated statisical
> hoops
> > >to reach that conclusion. Again, it goes against common sense.
> >
> > What goes against common sense is saying guns somehow "cause" suicide.
>
> Thats disingenuous. Nobody is saying such a thing. A suicidal person with
a
> gun is much more likely to die than a suicidal person without a gun.

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