Re: Guns cause suicide?

"Mongo Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >In talk.politics.guns "Some Guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"COGunWoman55" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >> Interesting suicide rate chart, comparing nations:
> >> http://tinyurl.com/wk4i
> >
> >The old causation gambit.
> >
> >Of course an inanimate object doesn't cause anything. But what do you
think
> >will be the difference in outcome to a suicidal person if he tries a
non-gun
> >method (average 5% "success" rate) or a gun (85% "success" rate).
> >
> >It's common sense. The country-by-country comparison is irrelevant.
>
> They'll find a successful way to kill themselves. People all over the
> world manage, proving the lack of cultural bias.
>
> >Just ask  yourself, if you had a friend who had a clinically depressed
> >teenage son, and your friend asked you if he should buy a gun, what would
> >you say to him?
>
> "Let me know when you get it and we'll go to the range together."
>
> >By the say, Kleck claims there is no relationship between suicide rates
and
> >gun ownership, but he had to jump through some complicated statisical
hoops
> >to reach that conclusion. Again, it goes against common sense.
>
> What goes against common sense is saying guns somehow "cause" suicide.

Thats disingenuous. Nobody is saying such a thing. A suicidal person with a
gun is much more likely to die than a suicidal person without a gun.

SG