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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:09:24 GMT, Val Mehling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:24:51 -0600, Don Ocean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Scott...Go back to your books...Thanksgiving wasn't official for >>many years later. And the Puritans worked very hard, but knew >>little of survival. Maybe you should look at Bradfords history and >>perhaps you should read the official logs and diary's of the day. >>They were a crude lot. But it might surprise you the education level. >>But that is a job for you...Go look it up > >>We did burn a few folks that kept getting things wrong. >>Called them witches..ya know! ;-p > >I will never understand how it is that Christians are not ashamed of the >atrocities they have commited against people who simply wished to practice a >different religion from their own. The first rule of Wiccans is, "Do no harm." >Their tormentors had similar rules - they just never lived by them. > Wicca, while a rather nice religion, is a made up one. I know several witches and warlocks, and are very nice people Gardnerian Wicca: Started in 1950’s by Gerald Gardner. Groups tend to work skyclad. Covens use a degree system. Individuals are initiated by the coven. Alaxandrian Wicca: Started in the 1960’s in England. In many aspects they are like the Gardnerian Wicca. Georgian Wicca: Founded by George Patterson in the 1970’s. They are known as the Georgian Church and draw their rituals from the Alaxandrian and Gardnerian crafts. Members also write their own ritual. Algard Wicca: Founded in 1972. Mary Nesnick combined Alexandrian and Gardnerian Wicca to form the Algard tradition. They are very close to the Gardnerian tradition. Seax-Wica: Founded in 1962 by Raymond Buckland a protégé of Gardner. He moved to the U. S. A. and in 1973 started his own tradition based on Saxon traditions. Hence Seax-Wica. Feri Tradition: Victor Anderson is credited to bringing this tradition to America in the late 1960’s. Feri teacher tend to add something of themselves to the religion as they teach. They can be solitary or work in small groups. Dianic Tradition: This religion focus strongly on the Goddess with little or no interact on the God. This is a feminist movement of the craft. The covens are women only. British Traditional: There are a number of different British Traditions that are based on the Pre Christian traditions of Old England. Celtic Wicca: The tradition looks to the Celtic and druidic deities, with an emphasis on magickal and healing properties. Northern Way or Asatru. This tradition is based on the Old Norse gods. Pictish Witches: This is a solitary Scottish Tradition that is based on nature. Strega Witches: This tradition is from Italy. >>Scott Stephens wrote: >>> >>> Moderate Mammal wrote: >>> >>> > What the fuck is wrong with these people? >>> >>> Socialism does not work. One way socialists delude themselves is to drop >>> the context circumstance takes place in. How can they be impoverishing >>> their people, when they take from those that earn money and property, >>> and give it to those that haven't? >>> >>> How can they be denying health-care, when they dumb-down incentives for >>> health-care providers to be cost effective? >>> >>> How can they be culturally insensitive, when they establish conflicting >>> systems of law for different cultures? >>> >>> Perhaps Canadians want a sex-trade market. A couple Muslims here in the >>> US got jail time for selling their 14 yr. old daughters to some rich old >>> men. Maybe that will now be OK in Canada, if you go to the right >>> (Muslim) court with the right bribe. >>> >>> (from L i b e r t y W i r e) >>> >>> The Great Thanksgiving Hoax >>> By Richard J. Maybury >>> >>> Each year at this time school children all over America >>> are taught the official Thanksgiving story, and >>> newspapers, radio, TV, and magazines devote vast amounts >>> of time and space to it. It is all very colorful and >>> fascinating. >>> >>> It is also very deceiving. This official story is nothing >>> like what really happened. It is a fairy tale, a >>> whitewashed and sanitized collection of half-truths which >>> divert attention away from Thanksgiving's real meaning. >>> >>> The official story has the pilgrims boarding the >>> Mayflower, coming to America and establishing the Plymouth >>> colony in the winter of 1620-21. This first winter is >>> hard, and half the colonists die. But the survivors are >>> hard working and tenacious, and they learn new farming >>> techniques from the Indians. The harvest of 1621 is >>> bountiful. The Pilgrims hold a celebration, and give >>> thanks to God. They are grateful for the wonderful new >>> abundant land He has given them. >>> >>> The official story then has the Pilgrims living more or >>> less happily ever after, each year repeating the first >>> Thanksgiving. Other early colonies also have hard times at >>> first, but they soon prosper and adopt the annual >>> tradition of giving thanks for this prosperous new land >>> called America. >>> >>> The problem with this official story is that the harvest >>> of 1621 was not bountiful, nor were the colonists >>> hardworking or tenacious. 1621 was a famine year and many >>> of the colonists were lazy thieves. >>> >>> In his 'History of Plymouth Plantation,' the governor of >>> the colony, William Bradford, reported that the colonists >>> went hungry for years, because they refused to work in the >>> fields. They preferred instead to steal food. He says the >>> colony was riddled with "corruption," and with "confusion >>> and discontent." The crops were small because "much was >>> stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce >>> eatable." >>> >>> In the harvest feasts of 1621 and 1622, "all had their >>> hungry bellies filled," but only briefly. The prevailing >>> condition during those years was not the abundance the >>> official story claims, it was famine and death. The first >>> "Thanksgiving" was not so much a celebration as it was the >>> last meal of condemned men. >>> >>> But in subsequent years something changes. The harvest of >>> 1623 was different. Suddenly, "instead of famine now God >>> gave them plenty," Bradford wrote, "and the face of things >>> was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for >>> which they blessed God." Thereafter, he wrote, "any >>> general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to >>> this day." In fact, in 1624, so much food was produced >>> that the colonists were able to begin exporting corn. >>> >>> What happened? >>> >>> After the poor harvest of 1622, writes Bradford, "they >>> began to think how they might raise as much corn as they >>> could, and obtain a better crop." They began to question >>> their form of economic organization. >>> >>> This had required that "all profits & benefits that are >>> got by trade, working, fishing, or any other means" were >>> to be placed in the common stock of the colony, and that, >>> "all such persons as are of this colony, are to have their >>> meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common >>> stock." A person was to put into the common stock all he >>> could, and take out only what he needed. >>> >>> This "from each according to his ability, to each >>> according to his need" was an early form of socialism, and >>> it is why the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that >>> "young men that are most able and fit for labor and >>> service" complained about being forced to "spend their >>> time and strength to work for other men's wives and >>> children." Also, "the strong, or man of parts, had no more >>> in division of victuals and clothes, than he that was >>> weak." So the young and strong refused to work and the >>> total amount of food produced was never adequate. >>> >>> To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished >>> socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land and >>> told them they could keep what they produced, or trade it >>> away as they saw fit. In other words, he replaced >>> socialism with a free market, and that was the end of >>> famines. >>> >>> Many early groups of colonists set up socialist states, >>> all with the same terrible results. At Jamestown, >>> established in 1607, out of every shipload of settlers >>> that arrived, less than half would survive their first >>> twelve months in America. Most of the work was being done >>> by only one-fifth of the men, the other four-fifths >>> choosing to be parasites. In the winter of 1609-10, called >>> "The Starving Time," the population fell from five-hundred >>> to sixty. >>> >>> Then the Jamestown colony was converted to a free market, >>> and the results were every bit as dramatic as those at >>> Plymouth. In 1614, Colony Secretary Ralph Hamor wrote that >>> after the switch there was "plenty of food, which every >>> man by his own industry may easily and doth procure." He >>> said that when the socialist system had prevailed, "we >>> reaped not so much corn from the labors of thirty men as >>> three men have done for themselves now." >>> >>> Before these free markets were established, the colonists >>> had nothing for which to be thankful. They were in the >>> same situation as Ethiopians are today, and for the same >>> reasons. But after free markets were established, the >>> resulting abundance was so dramatic that the annual >>> Thanksgiving celebrations became common throughout the >>> colonies, and in 1863, Thanksgiving became a national >>> holiday. >>> >>> Thus the real reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the >>> official story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and >>> only source of abundance is free markets, and we thank God >>> we live in a country where we can have them. >>> >>> Mr. Maybury writes on investments. This article originally >>> appeared in The Free Market, November 1985. >>> >>> -- >>> Scott >>> >>> ********************************** >>> >>> DIY Piezo-Gyro, PCB Drill Bot & More Soon! >>> >>> http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/ >>> >>> ********************************** > >Val Mehling >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >XRL (Extreme Racing League) Info >http://extremeracingleague.com/ "25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 US murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?" -- Andrew Ford
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