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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:24:51 -0600, Don Ocean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Scott...Go back to your books...Thanksgiving wasn't official for >many years later. And the Puritans worked very hard, but knew >little of survival. Maybe you should look at Bradfords history and >perhaps you should read the official logs and diary's of the day. >They were a crude lot. But it might surprise you the education level. >But that is a job for you...Go look it up >We did burn a few folks that kept getting things wrong. >Called them witches..ya know! ;-p I will never understand how it is that Christians are not ashamed of the atrocities they have commited against people who simply wished to practice a different religion from their own. The first rule of Wiccans is, "Do no harm." Their tormentors had similar rules - they just never lived by them. >Scott Stephens wrote: >> >> Moderate Mammal wrote: >> >> > What the fuck is wrong with these people? >> >> Socialism does not work. One way socialists delude themselves is to drop >> the context circumstance takes place in. How can they be impoverishing >> their people, when they take from those that earn money and property, >> and give it to those that haven't? >> >> How can they be denying health-care, when they dumb-down incentives for >> health-care providers to be cost effective? >> >> How can they be culturally insensitive, when they establish conflicting >> systems of law for different cultures? >> >> Perhaps Canadians want a sex-trade market. A couple Muslims here in the >> US got jail time for selling their 14 yr. old daughters to some rich old >> men. Maybe that will now be OK in Canada, if you go to the right >> (Muslim) court with the right bribe. >> >> (from L i b e r t y W i r e) >> >> The Great Thanksgiving Hoax >> By Richard J. Maybury >> >> Each year at this time school children all over America >> are taught the official Thanksgiving story, and >> newspapers, radio, TV, and magazines devote vast amounts >> of time and space to it. It is all very colorful and >> fascinating. >> >> It is also very deceiving. This official story is nothing >> like what really happened. It is a fairy tale, a >> whitewashed and sanitized collection of half-truths which >> divert attention away from Thanksgiving's real meaning. >> >> The official story has the pilgrims boarding the >> Mayflower, coming to America and establishing the Plymouth >> colony in the winter of 1620-21. This first winter is >> hard, and half the colonists die. But the survivors are >> hard working and tenacious, and they learn new farming >> techniques from the Indians. The harvest of 1621 is >> bountiful. The Pilgrims hold a celebration, and give >> thanks to God. They are grateful for the wonderful new >> abundant land He has given them. >> >> The official story then has the Pilgrims living more or >> less happily ever after, each year repeating the first >> Thanksgiving. Other early colonies also have hard times at >> first, but they soon prosper and adopt the annual >> tradition of giving thanks for this prosperous new land >> called America. >> >> The problem with this official story is that the harvest >> of 1621 was not bountiful, nor were the colonists >> hardworking or tenacious. 1621 was a famine year and many >> of the colonists were lazy thieves. >> >> In his 'History of Plymouth Plantation,' the governor of >> the colony, William Bradford, reported that the colonists >> went hungry for years, because they refused to work in the >> fields. They preferred instead to steal food. He says the >> colony was riddled with "corruption," and with "confusion >> and discontent." The crops were small because "much was >> stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce >> eatable." >> >> In the harvest feasts of 1621 and 1622, "all had their >> hungry bellies filled," but only briefly. The prevailing >> condition during those years was not the abundance the >> official story claims, it was famine and death. The first >> "Thanksgiving" was not so much a celebration as it was the >> last meal of condemned men. >> >> But in subsequent years something changes. The harvest of >> 1623 was different. Suddenly, "instead of famine now God >> gave them plenty," Bradford wrote, "and the face of things >> was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for >> which they blessed God." Thereafter, he wrote, "any >> general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to >> this day." In fact, in 1624, so much food was produced >> that the colonists were able to begin exporting corn. >> >> What happened? >> >> After the poor harvest of 1622, writes Bradford, "they >> began to think how they might raise as much corn as they >> could, and obtain a better crop." They began to question >> their form of economic organization. >> >> This had required that "all profits & benefits that are >> got by trade, working, fishing, or any other means" were >> to be placed in the common stock of the colony, and that, >> "all such persons as are of this colony, are to have their >> meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common >> stock." A person was to put into the common stock all he >> could, and take out only what he needed. >> >> This "from each according to his ability, to each >> according to his need" was an early form of socialism, and >> it is why the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that >> "young men that are most able and fit for labor and >> service" complained about being forced to "spend their >> time and strength to work for other men's wives and >> children." Also, "the strong, or man of parts, had no more >> in division of victuals and clothes, than he that was >> weak." So the young and strong refused to work and the >> total amount of food produced was never adequate. >> >> To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished >> socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land and >> told them they could keep what they produced, or trade it >> away as they saw fit. In other words, he replaced >> socialism with a free market, and that was the end of >> famines. >> >> Many early groups of colonists set up socialist states, >> all with the same terrible results. At Jamestown, >> established in 1607, out of every shipload of settlers >> that arrived, less than half would survive their first >> twelve months in America. Most of the work was being done >> by only one-fifth of the men, the other four-fifths >> choosing to be parasites. In the winter of 1609-10, called >> "The Starving Time," the population fell from five-hundred >> to sixty. >> >> Then the Jamestown colony was converted to a free market, >> and the results were every bit as dramatic as those at >> Plymouth. In 1614, Colony Secretary Ralph Hamor wrote that >> after the switch there was "plenty of food, which every >> man by his own industry may easily and doth procure." He >> said that when the socialist system had prevailed, "we >> reaped not so much corn from the labors of thirty men as >> three men have done for themselves now." >> >> Before these free markets were established, the colonists >> had nothing for which to be thankful. They were in the >> same situation as Ethiopians are today, and for the same >> reasons. But after free markets were established, the >> resulting abundance was so dramatic that the annual >> Thanksgiving celebrations became common throughout the >> colonies, and in 1863, Thanksgiving became a national >> holiday. >> >> Thus the real reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the >> official story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and >> only source of abundance is free markets, and we thank God >> we live in a country where we can have them. >> >> Mr. Maybury writes on investments. This article originally >> appeared in The Free Market, November 1985. >> >> -- >> Scott >> >> ********************************** >> >> DIY Piezo-Gyro, PCB Drill Bot & More Soon! >> >> http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/ >> >> ********************************** Val Mehling [EMAIL PROTECTED] XRL (Extreme Racing League) Info http://extremeracingleague.com/
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