Re: DOES THE 9th AMENDMENT PROTECT RESPONSIBLE REC DRUG USE?

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:48:13 GMT, brian bennett
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>"George Leroy Tyrebiter Jr." wrote:
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>> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:39:35 GMT, brian bennett
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> >"George Leroy Tyrebiter Jr." wrote:
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>> >> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:35:31 GMT, brian bennett
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> >> >"George Leroy Tyrebiter Jr." wrote:
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>> >> >> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:09:01 GMT, brian bennett
>> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> >> >> >> Great idea. That the govt would dare interfere with my right is
>> >> >> >> absurd.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Once such a right did exist in the top lord in an area - he had a
>> >> >> >> right to first have sex with new brides.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Doesn't that right still exist?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >i honestly can't tell if you're being facetious or just stupid.  your 
>> >> >> >"rights"
>> >> >> >extend only to the point that anothers' rights are not violated.  you only 
>> >> >> >have
>> >> >> >the "right" to have sex with those adults who grant their bodies to you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That view is the view of libertarians.
>> >> >
>> >> >i don't call myslef a libertarian, but i certainly espouse the view that to be
>> >> >"free" a person must declare their ownership over themselves.
>> >> >
>> >> >> There are more folks in the world than libertarians. For instance, our
>> >> >> Founding Fathers were not libertarians.
>> >> >
>> >> >no but they certainly knew how to sniff out tyranny over the hearts and minds of
>> >> >men and sought to create the framework of a society which would protect the most
>> >> >fundamental rights.
>> >> >
>> >> >> So they did not mean to adopt its views.
>> >> >
>> >> >nonsense -- the entire intent of the declaration, the revolution and the
>> >> >constitution was to institute a system that protects people from the tyranny of
>> >> >others.
>> >>
>> >> To a degree. What degree?
>> >
>> >to the maximum degree -- the government is denied a power to arbitrarily decide
>> >that the citizens *don't* have rights.  the citizens don't have to define all
>> >their rights to prevent the government from taking them away.
>> >
>> >> That's the problem.
>> >
>> >no, the problem appears to be that you can't comprehend simple english -- i
>> >suppose we can blame the "education" system.
>> >
>> >> Did Jefferson own slaves?
>> >
>> >what has that got to do with it?  jefferson had *absolutely nothing* to do with
>> >drafting the constitution -- but it isn't suprising that you never learned that.
>> 
>> I don't think that the intent of those writing the constitution was to
>> adopt full-bore libertarianism. For instance, they believed in
>> slavery, therefore they were not libertarians.
>> 
>> I think their intent matters some in figuring out how to apply the
>> ninth amendment.
>> 
>> Since they were not full-bore libertarians, it is not persuasive to
>> argue that they meant the ninth amendment to generate strictly
>> libertarian laws.
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>my good man, others besides myself have pointed you in the proper direction to
>fully resolve the meanings and intents behind the 9th amendment.

The pointing has been to an interpretation that they prefer - that we
retain all rights short of interfering with the rights of others.

Who says that is correct?
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>from your various exchanges, i have no recourse but to deduce that you are
>either wilfully obfuscating the issue or alternateively truly too dense to
>comprehend simple english.

I am not willfully obfuscating and as is typical here I have a real
high IQ. So neither theory is correct.
Want to go for theory C?

For instance, that I am correct and that you are not?

That the Ninth Amendment is not sufficiently clear to work as law?


>on that note then, i can think of no legitimate reason to engage further with
>you on this topic. 
>
>good luck to you

I note that the law as it is seems to follow my view, in that few
cases are based on the Ninth Amendment.

Were the Ninth Amendment so clear, it would be often cited.

Correct?
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>b