Re: drug use by our homeless family members or friends?, lets adopt them

Brother Nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> roid wrote:
> > Brother Nate wrote:
> > > roid wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > my insulin is %100 government funded.  if i coudln't afford it, 
> > > > i'd steal from you to get it.
> > > 
> > > And when you did so, I would call the cops and watch with quiet 
> > > satisfaction while they hauled your ass off to jail.  I don't care 
> > > what medical condition you have - it doesn't entitle you to steal 
> > > from anybody.
> > 
> > most people would disagree and sympathize with the man who steals a loaf 
> > of bread, or the medication to cure his child.  coz you gotta think of 
> > the childreeeeen.  look at their cute eyes ^_^
> 
> Children deserve better providers than ones who set an example like that.

This coming from one who believes lying to children, even other
people's children, is a perfectly acceptable behavior.  Here Nathan
questions my "Shame on him" for LYING to children.

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< Nathan Engle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
< > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
< > > Nathan Engle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
< > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
< > > > >
< > > > > That is an outright lie.
< > > >
< > > > It is the misconception of an 8 year old.  8 year olds believe
< > > > all sorts of goofy things.
< > >
< > > Shame on you Nathan.  Shame on you for blaming an 8 year old
< > > child for the deliberately propogated LIES of this War on Drugs.
< > > Shame on you for blaming an 8 year old child for believing the
< > > very LIES you'd have shoved down their throats.
< >
< > Shame on me for tricking little kids into behaving themselves in
< > the hopes of getting a big package under the old Christmas tree.
< > Shame on me for tricking grown men and women into carrying on with
< > their lives in the face of adversity on the effectively-unprovable
< > assertion that that's what Jesus wants them to do.
< >
< > An empowering fantasy is always preferable to an inervating
< > reality.  I sometimes get the impression that you're the sort of
< > person who says we should talk to children as though they were
just
< > little pint-sized adults with fully-developed rational cognitive
< > powers.  Unfortunately management of kids just isn't that easy.
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Here Nathan tries to blame the child for believing the LIES told him
by his teachers!!!

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< Nathan Engle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
< > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
< > >
< > > when a child is taught that "NOT taking drugs" will give their
< > > life meaning, and even after they did "NOT take drugs" they find
< > > their life without meaning, they are (correctly) going to come
to
< > > the conclusion they were LIED to.  Very many of them are then
< > > (incorrectly, I grant you) going to come to the conclusion that
< > > "taking drugs" will give their life meaning.
< >
< > And naturally you blame their mistake on the teacher rather than
< > the student.
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Here, Nathan tries to excuse himself for lying to other people's
children by suggesting that if parents can tell their children of a
Santa Clause, he too can LIE to them.

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>
< Nathan Engle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
< > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
< > > Nathan Engle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
< > > >
< > > > So "Not taking drugs" and "Not having sex" aren't the things
< > > > which give life meaning.  So what?  If I were to cite another
< > > > common 8 year old misconception like "Pot is totally safe,
< > > > there's no chance to ever get hurt using it" then I don't
< > > > think that it would make any sense to try to portray that as
< > > > the central theme of the legalization movement either.
< > >
< > > First off Nathan, the "misconception", the LIE, is deliberately
< > > propogated by the prohibitionist camp.  The fault for this
< > > "misconception" can't be laid on some 8 year old child.  The
< > > fault squarely belongs to those spreading the LIE.
< > > Prohibitionists bear the fault for the deliberately
< > > propogated "misconceptions".
< >
< > So what?  Parents have been deliberately propagating lies about
< > a guy named "Santa Claus" for hundreds of years.
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Here, he simply promotes the general idea of LYING to children.

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< Nathan Engle wrote:
< > Jackson Harvey wrote:
< > > 
< > > Alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana.  Children do
eventually
< > > learn this, and when they do, they are likely to wonder what
other lies
< > > we as a society have told them.  Isn't it better to be honest
from the
< > > start, rather than spouting propaganda about marijuana?
< >
< > It is not necessary to go into intimate scientific detail.  It is
not
< > necessary that kids believe every single thing adults tell them. 
It *is*
< > necessary that they hear responsible messages from people they
respect.
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> In a nation with the social services we provide stealing is only a short-cut 
> for the morally bankrupt.

But, clearly, by roid's prompting comment, the scenario in which he
would resort to theft did not include such social services.