Re: DOES THE 9th AMENDMENT PROTECT RESPONSIBLE REC DRUG USE?

Pete nospam Zakel wrote:

>Manny Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 
>>brian bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>> no individual citizen has the *right* to void the self-directed free
>>> choices of another -- thus there can be no *power* collectively
>>> granted to the government to do so.
> 
>>And since no individual has the right to tax another individual, there
>>can be no power collectively granted to government to do so.
> 
> Au contraire.  A population can give the power to the government to
> tax in exchange for services.

Even if "a population" could do that, it wouldn't. A population has no 
will of its own. A population is made up of individuals. At best, a small 
minority of the people might be stupid enough allow politicians to tax 
them.  

> So "we", through our ancestors and/or forefathers who crafted the
> constitution and voted in favor of it, 

That is, quite frankly, ridiculous. How can I be bound today by what my 
ancestors did 200 years ago? And what about the 3/5s.......oops, I mean 
what about black people? Their ancestors DEFINITELY did not vote for the 
constitution. Are black people bound by the constitution today?

>granted the power to the
> government to tax us in exchange for services provided (common
> defense, infrastructure, etc.). 

You can't delegate a right you don't have. 

> So, I don't have the right to force taxation upon you from without,
> but we as a people have given the power to government to set and
> collect taxes.

If you don't have the right to do something as an individual, then a 
group does not magically aquire the right simply because they are a 
group. The logical implications of what you are saying leads to 
conclusions that are insane. For example, I don't have the right to rape 
a pretty girl, but if me and my buddies get together, then we magically 
aquire the right to gang rape her? 

>  If you don't like it, leave the confines of the
> country 

This is what I would expect from Brother Nate, not you. Next I imagine  
you'll be making might makes right arguments. Oh wait, you already have.


>that is collecting the taxes and set up your own autonomous
> country -- assuming you can find somewhere the is not claimed by some
> country.  Perhaps the moon?  Or there might even be some small islands
> available... 
> 
>>The fact that the constitution can be amended (by government X) to
>>grant any power whatsoever (to government X) demolishes the pretense
>>of a  constitution that limits government X's power.  
> 
> The constitution cannot be amended solely by the government.

What a bizarre statement. I suggest you read article five of
the constitution.