Re: dad campaigns to stop school drug testing

Manny Davis wrote:
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> R. Steve Walz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > creekchub wrote:
> >> You talk like a terrorist
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> > Nope. Like someone fighting terrorists. Terrorists kill people who
> > were not trying to kill them before they were terrorists.
> 
> Then by your own definition of the word you are a wannabe terrorist,
> since you advocate murdering people who are not trying to kill you.
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Nonsense, they would indeed kill any of us they could if we refused
to pay tribute to them in the form of unfair wages to us and rent
to them for dwellings we already by right of planet inherited from
our common ancestors! If you don't pay the tribute they try to kill
you by throwing you out in the snow. They have hired goons, the 
police, do it for them. They are exactly the same as feudal lords
punishing their serfs who disobey them.

 
> The evidence is in the google usenet archives. You have stated
> unequivocally that you support murdering:
> 
> 1.Bigots
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Sure.

> 2.Landlords
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Sure, if they fail to desist and divest.


> 3.Those who "refuse to do the people's will"
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Yup.


> 4.Those who send an unsolicited email to another person
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Don't you? If not, what the fuck's wrong with you? It's invasion
of privacy and enslavement by burdening you with unwanted labor
to their service! They just passed today the bill which will punish
UCE's starting after December with fines of millions of dollars! 
I prefer the death penalty, but they disagree. That's merely an 
aesthetic choice anyway, once it's illegal!


> 5.Those who make certain remarks (not threats)
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Threats, sure, against the wrong people for the wrong things.
And the People SHOULD stop speech that threatens Democracy
and Freedom.


> 6.Owners of certain businesses.
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You make them sound so innocent.


> 7.Those who argue against abortion.
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Absolutely.


> 8.Rush Limbaugh
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One of many.


> 9.People (in general) for what they think.
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If they insist on speaking against the People's Democracy and Freedom.
They can think any damned thing they want if they keep it the fuck
to themselves.


> 10.People (in general) for what they say.
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See above.

 
> And many others (Is there anyone left?).
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There's the rest of us who don't WANT to try to claim someone else's
home and try to throw them out of it for not paying us tribute just 
so we don't have to work for a living like honest persons!!

There are the rest of us for whom it is entirely enough to ONLY 
receive what we work for, and to settle for owning only what is
OUR share!!

There are the rest of us for whom gambling is evil and not working
is enslaving others unfairly, and trying to get rich quick is a sin
before God and All Humankind, because it steals from others without
one working for it!

And there are the rest of us who think that athletes and famous people
shouldn't be paid vast fortunes, and that people should work at honest
work of somekind every day, and that those who have wheedled fortunes
for themselves have cheated the rest of us out of them illicitly, and
that those funds should be taken back!

There are the rest of us who think that SUVs are WRONG, and public
transportation is better for the earth, and honesty the hope of the
world.

In other words, there are the rest of All the HONEST people on Earth!


> Every claim above can
> be verified through google by using the appropriate keywords.
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I acknowledge all of them, you obviously don't know me very well!

Nothing I have said is in any way illegal, or terrorist. It is
a political opinion, and as such, it is protected!


> You despise freedom speech and support repression.
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I despise criminality and support its punishment and suppression.


> Your advocacy of
> murdering those who "refuse to do the people's will" is hauntingly
> reminiscent of the communists who sent millions of innocent people to
> work and die in the gulag for being "enemies of the people".
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Except those weren't "communists" who did that, Russia wasn't communist,
because it had rich people, lots of them, and they were VERY rich and
powerful, while most people lived in hopelessness. NO Communism has
ANY rich people of ANY KIND. No Communism is ruled by an elite, ir is
ruled by the Democratic Majority. Majorities don't send vast numbers
of people to killing fields without a damned good reason. In actual
fact, most actual Communists were the victims of the gulag.

 
> > Now, do you understand the assymetry of these two different sides,
> > or not?? It's the model of Good, as opposed to its opposite, Evil.
> 
> Sure. It is analagous to how capitalism, which is good, since it it
> predicated on private property and voluntary exchange resulting in
> freedom and prosperity, as opposed to communism, which is bad, since it
> abolishes private property and voluntary exchange and results in famines,
> slave labor camps and totalitarianism.
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Nope, Capitalism is the effort to have winners take all, to own the
whole she-bang, and thus to enslave the rest of us to them, it will
finally result in a few people owning everyone's home and extracting
tribute (rent) from them, forcing them to work for them, unable to
afford to EVER buy a home at the prevailing wage, to do THE RICH's 
work FOR them, for lifetimes on end. It is precisely Capitalism that
abolishes the private property rights of the Majority by taking all 
the property away from us slowly and defending only the property rights
of the FEW Nobles and Rich who own EVERYTHING AGAINST THE REST OF US! 
You see, the right to something is irrelevant if you DON'T HAVE ANY!!!
And EVERY form of Capitalism does exactly that, it makes fewer and 
fewer richer and richer till it is intolerable and results in absolute 
slavery of your children and their children FOREVER, or else causes
the very bloodiest kind of revolution and social catastrophes. 

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ONLY COMMUNISM forcibly prevents that gradual progression toward
absolute slavery and disownership by preventing all means of some
getting richer than others by ANY other means than actual productive
labor, and it is safe to do that because a man cannot become rich
by his own labor hours, at least never so much richer than another 
that he can literally own the life or home of another. And also, 
in a Communist Democracy you cannot inherit wealth, only sentimental 
and personal property. In fact no one can even SAVE wealth except 
for actual personal propery, items and devices, because the credit 
for labor EXPIRES if you don't buy things with it or assign it to
ordering goods immediately. LAbor hours must chase the goods they
produce, or there'd be no reason for authorizing the work!

And people must all work a certain minimal number of hours a week 
to earn their food and utilities and medical care, and they must 
be denied the right to get food if they refuse until they decide
differently, but no one can take their home from them till they die.
Only after those minimal hours of labor can they accumulate labor
to buy consumer items. The People's Democracy controls all the non-
residential property and industrial assets, locally, by Democratic
Assembles. The People can decide to do anything they all want.
Steve