Re: Howard Dean on the Drug War

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guido Marx) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > Guido Marx wrote:
> > 
> > > Brother Nate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > 
> > >>Guido Marx wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>He likewise neglects to criticize the Feds for violating the
> > >>>Constitutional rights of physicians and patients.
> > >>
> > >>Maybe that's because the man is running as a Democrat, not a
> > >>Libertarian.  Constitutionality of drug law is *your* dead
> > >>horse to beat, not his.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Nate:
> > > I was referring to the Feds threatening physicians with loss of their
> > > DEA licenses and jail time for telling patients that marijuana may
> > > help them.  This isn't a Libertarian issue -  this is a free speech
> > > issue plain and simple.  And - not only is it a free speech issue - it
> > > is a critical free speech issue.  Or - perhaps you think that
> > > physicians should check with the DEA before they tell anyone their
> > > medical opinions to make sure they're "politically correct" ?
> > > 
> > > Guido
> > 
> > Federal agents can raid a grower operating under a city contract in 
> > accordance with state laws for the benefit of people with a medical 
> > need, and then disallow even the mention of those facts in court.
> 
> A lot more than just disallowing the mention was done.  Mr.
> Rosenthal's attorneys were PREVENTED by the presiding judge from
> questioning some of the witnesses.  Instead, the judge himself asked
> the questions.  Obviously - this was to restrain tricky attorneys who
> might ask questions in such a way that the judge would legally be
> required to admit testimony about the details of the work Mr.
> Rosenthal was doing.  However, it seems plain to me that not allowing
> your counsel to cross-examine a witness is a violation of your right
> to due-process.  We'll see what the higher courts say about this
> before too long.
> 
> > 
> > That's exactly the kind of thing the founders of this country went to 
> > war to fight against, isn't it?
> 
> I think the Founders are spinning in their graves...
> 
> Guido

dont give the founders too much credit. i think its valid to assume as
some do that the founders were, like the so-called conservatives
today, all too human.

 a lot of ppl use the excuse, like dean, that theyre worried about
sending the wrong message to the "young people". my answer to them
is... give the "young ppl" all the drug tests and cavity searches they
can handle and leave the adults alone.

all situations(such as stoned airline pilots) can be handled with
common sense by employers or whatever.unemployed drug warriors could
go to work in marijuana cafes cleaning the bongs out.