Re: If life is a benefit...

Not so quick wrote:

> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:01:58 GMT, ipse dixit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If life is a benefit, then it's logically certain that
> > no life [ie never existing at all] is a loss.
>
>
> There is no one to have a loss, if there is no
> individual life. But this is so basic that I think
> you must have something else in mind.

No.  Fuckwit, nee "David Harrison" (currently using 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]') and the originator (here in these 
groups) of stupid idea that life _per se_ is a benefit, 
believes that "unborn farm animals" exist in some 
ill-defined pre-born state.   Here are quotes from his 
posts on the topic over the last few years:

       The animals that will be raised for us to eat
       are more than just "nothing", because they
       *will* be born unless something stops their
       lives from happening. Since that is the case,
       if something stops their lives from happening,
       whatever it is that stops it is truly "denying"
       them of the life they otherwise would have had.
       Fuckwit - 12/09/1999

       Yes, it is the unborn animals that will be
       born if nothing prevents that from happening,
       that would experience the loss if their lives
       are prevented.
       Fuckwit - 08/01/2000

       What gives you the right to want to deprive
       them [unborn animals] of having what life they
       could have?
       Fuckwit - 10/12/2001

       What I'm saying is unfair for the animals that
       *could* get to live, is for people not to
       consider the fact that they are only keeping
       these animals from being killed, by keeping
       them from getting to live at all.
       Fuckwit - 10/19/1999

From these quotes, we see that Fuckwit, an irrational 
high-school drop-out living in the Atlanta, GA area, 
clearly believes that:

- non-existent animals are "more than just 'nothing'"
- can experience a "loss" from not being born
- can be "deprived" of something
- can experience "unfairness"

Fuckwit NECESSARILY believes that unconceived farm 
animals nonetheless have some sort of existence, as 
existence in some sense is required for the four 
indicated beliefs.

Fuckwit periodically tries to say his UNCOERCED quotes 
are "mistakes".  They are NOT mistakes, if by "mistake" 
one means that he misspoke; he accurately stated his 
beliefs in the quotes.  They are only *tactical* 
mistakes, in that they reveal him to be a lunatic.

> To say that not getting a raise at work is a loss
> is true. But if the person is happy at home to an
> extent that they are not aware of nor troubled
> by the loss, most of the time, then it is a loss to
> a lesser degree. If a person has a spiritual being
> that was before life and after then is there a loss?