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Re: "smoked salmon socialists"



Fran wrote:

"Don Swayser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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Jonathan Ball wrote: his usual Fascist diatribe;

What's "fascist" about pointing out the appalling moral relativism and confusion of west-hating leftists like you, fat UNEDUCATED Frannie?




It's not that the left is indifferent to the sins of all tyrants. Chat
up any smoked-salmon socialist and you'll get an earful about the crimes
of Chile's Pinochet, Indonesia's Suharto, the shah of Iran and other
Cold War allies of the West. One gets the distinct sense that their
biggest crime was not oppressing their own people but being in cahoots
with the United States. As long as a dictator hates the U.S., all his
minor, or not so minor, lapses can easily be overlooked.

So true. Bet is that Hitler would be their darling if he still existed.


I can see that you have been as sucked in by this piece of "opinion" as has
Jon.

I wasn't sucked in by anything, fat UNEDUCATED Frannie. The author of the opinion piece makes an excellent set of points.



The writer makes a statement that HE gets the impression that 'x' is the truth and you and Fascist Jon both then leap with joy to support his non sequitor statement that follows.

You keep misusing AND misspelling 'non sequitur', fat UNEDUCATED Frannie. It's laughably obvious you don't know what the word means. You also don't know what "fascist" means, fat dumb Frannie.



Those dictators all committed appalling crimes over many many years. Why is it that people like yourself and the little Fascist never seem to be able to ask yourselves why the US did nothing to censure these dictators?

Don't you notice the so evident difference in stance between invading Iraq
and what happened with these dictators?



As appalling as the London protesters were, they were outclassed for
sheer moral obduracy by an article in the Nov. 22-23 edition of
Britain's Financial Times called "Our Friends in the North." Given that
the subject is North Korea one might think the headline is sarcastic,
but, no, it's an accurate reflection of what follows: a review of "North
Korea: The Hermit Kingdom" by University of Chicago professor Bruce
Cumings. The reviewer, Michael Church, is full of praise for this
"riveting book" that sees "the beleaguered North in a sympathetic light."

Your image of North Korea might derive from a recent human rights report
that documented how Kim Jong Il keeps hundreds of thousands of prisoners
locked up in slave labor camps. Or maybe you've read stories about the
Stalin-like famines that have killed millions of people in recent years.
Cumings is here to tell you that you're missing the bigger picture.
According to Church's summary of his argument, North Korea's
"transitions first to communism, then to post-communism have been — in
terms of social organization — so extraordinarily smooth."


Of course it has. They're the same thing.


Did you actually bother to do a google hunt and READ the review the
"opinion" writer is writing about?

I did, fat UNEDUCATED Frannie. The reviewer Michael Church, as well as the author of the book, are clearly minimizing, if not turning blind eyes to, North Korean atrocities. The extreme leftist reviewer Church plays the illegitimate race card in his first paragraph:


   For President Clinton, North Korea was "the scariest
   place on earth". For President Bush, it is led by a
   "pygmy" whom he "loathes". For the US press, Kim
   Jong Il is another David Koresh, Jim Jones or
   Charles Manson; when his father Kim Il Sung died in
   1994, Newsweek's headline was "Headless Beast: North
   Korea After Kim". As Bruce Cumings observes, racist
   superiority is almost de rigueur in US discussions
   of the land they love to hate.

There isn't a racist view in any of the quotes, but Church has Cumings calling the U.S. "racist" without any support. Typical leftist bullshit.

The communist reviewer Church fawningly writes:

[Cumings] shows why the North's economy shot ahead
of the South in the 1970s, why it fell behind in the
1990s ("self-reliance" came to mean reliance on
obsolete technology), and why its transitions first
to Communism, then to post-Communism, have been - in
terms of social organisation - so extraordinarily smooth.


Naturally, it wouldn't occur to the leftist Church to SUPPORT his claim that the North's economy "shot ahead" of the South in the 1970s. It did not.

Is causing the death by starvation of at least 222,000 people in just four years, 1995-1998, a "smooth" transition from communism to (haw haw haw) "post communism", you stupid fat UNEDUCATED socialist bitch? That's the North Koreans' own understated estimate, by the way, fat UNEDUCATED socialist bitch. The true figure is much higher, likely in the millions.


Of course not!

You read the words, but you didn't understand what you were reading. Not surprising, fat UNEDUCATED Frannie.


If you had done so you would have realised what a sucker the
"opinion" writer was making of you.  He has chosen to only use those
comments which supports his Fascist view and eventhose comments he takes out
of context.

No, he doesn't. He places them in exactly the correct context: morally confused leftists seeing false equivalence, and excusing the atrocities of communist dictators.





Church does admit that "well-documented aspects of the North Koreans'
darker behavior … find no mention here." But he cheerily concludes,
"Never mind: In the battle to open closed Western minds, this tart and
witty broadside makes an excellent start."


It's hard to know which is more appalling: that a professor at a
reputable university would write an apologia for the worst dictatorship
on the planet or that an influential newspaper would praise it. The
spirit of Walter Duranty lives.


READ the review.

I did. You didn't. If you tried, you didn't understand it.


The professor of a respected university seems to have
written a book that sounds worth reading.

It's an unapologetic puff piece for a dictatorship.


The reviewer does a reasonable
review of  the book and it sounds worth a read.  It doesn't sound like it
presents an apologia rather a description of ahow a peoples can be
subjegated by myth and propaganda which is what is happening in all of the
western world at the moment as is certainly what those two old Fascist such
Jon and Bob constantly do.

You wouldn't recognize a fascist if he wiped your fat pimply ass.




Well said Johnathan.


But WHAT did he say?  That he found a cutesey poo expression about "smoked
salmon socialists" that was completely new to him!  He then posted a piece
of "opinion" that contains such value laden language that alarm bells should
ring in any mind that hopes to make any form of dispassionate assessment.

Did you read it, bitch? Evidently not. Max Boot addressed FAR more than just the one fawning review by one extreme leftist of some other extreme leftist's book.


Jon boy constantly trys to portray himself as a well educated man of the
world

That I am, fat UNEDUCATED untraveled Frannie.


and he constantly demonstrates how little real life education or
exposure he has had to anything outside of America and its sphere.

Nope.


The "great new term of disparagement"

It is great, and it's new in the U.S.


that he thinks are "Irish or English"

All the references I found to it on the web are Irish and English. It's a great expression. Well-to-do extreme leftists like Michael Church and Bruce Cumings are obviously "smoked salmon socialists", in the worst, most sneering sense of the phrase.


shows just how insular and benighted his exposure to outside information is.

But do enjoy him.  His views are simply old fashioned fascist but then I've
noticed that those old views seem to be doing the rounds again.

What I've noticed, fat UNEDUCATED Frannie, is that you don't know your fat pimply ass from your face.





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