Re: Sodom destroyed for being Republican (Was Boycott CBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Gregory Gadow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Gene Seibel wrote:
>>> The Jesus mythos
>>> himself adopted a young male lover when the mythos became Hellenized.
>> Where do you get this?

Hell, it's all from the current versions of the Christian mythologies.
The only place to "get this" is straight from the myths.  (Hercules also
had a young male lover which he lost to a nymth or demon at the bottom
of a well during the quest for the Fleece.  The Jesus mythos sprang not
from a vacuume but from everything which came before them.)

For the Christian myth I see you've covered the most obvious:

>There are several sources in Christian Scripture.

>Probably the most pointed is the frequent mention in the Gospel of John,
>where we repeatedly hear about an unnamed disciple "whom Jesus loved." 
>(See John 13:23-26, 19:26-27, 20:1-10, 21:7a, 20-24)

What makes that relevant is that this particular young male lover is
identified, singled out, and described differently than all the other
"disciples."  The author of the legend is deliberately attempting to
underscore the fact that this boy was Jesus' chosen lover -- and we're
including sex; it's what was done at the time and didn't carry the
stigma it does today.

It was very common for Greeks to adopt young male lovers though it was
rare for Jews unless there was a politization of the Jew.  And the
Jesus mythos was tried, found guility, and executed for sedition at
the hands of the Jewish priesthood (stoned to death and then hung in
a tree.  The "crucifixion" was a late addition to the myths.)  It also
suggests that the Jesus mythos owned property under the occupation of
Rome.  If the father was actually a Roman archer, it leads to wonder
whether the Jesus mythos once included stories about him trying to
regain the legal rights to his father's lands or even his salt.

>In Mark, the description of Jesus' arrest includes a comment about a "young
>man" who followed Jesus "with nothing but a linen cloth about his body" who
>"left the linen cloth and ran away naked." (see Mark 14:51-52)

In various versions of the myths his young lover's underpants were
ripped off by one of the arresting officers, and in other versions it
was ripped off by the Jesus mythos who tried to get his lover to stay
and stand with him for his trial for sedition.

>In Matthew's Gospel, there is the story of the centurion who begs Jesus to
>heal someone in his household. (Matthew 8:5-13) Different translations give
>"son" or "servant", but the actual Greek word is _pais_. The word literally
>translates as "boy." 

It's also relevant to note that ancient forms of English didn't have a
word for "girl" and both male and female youths were called "boy."  But
that's not relevant here because pais is Greek, not English.  I mention
it because people who are aware of the fact that "boy" used to stand
for young girls also have at times tried to claim that pais ment "girl."

Somewhere in my library I've got a dictionary that has a history of one
of the words offered on every page -- a neat feature; a book I purchased
waiting at SEATAC Airport.  It describes the origins of the word "girl"
and notes that the word was late coming to differenciate male from
female youths.

>In other examples of Koine Greek (the language of the
>Gospels and most of Paul's letters), the word is never used to mean "son"
>or "servant"; it is used either in general terms for a pre-pubescent boy
>who is not blood kin or as a euphemism for a man's young male lover. The
>cenurion's great agitation at his "boy's" sickness strongly implies that
>he was much more than a mere boy attached to his household.

Also even though the practice was for Greeks and Hellenized Jews to adopt
young male lovers, that didn't per se make them homosexuals.  It was a
question of preference and availability.  Females were property and fucked
girls were considered damaged property.  The demand was high, the supply
was low -- for Jews under the occupation, any way -- so the solution was
to adopt and care for a young male.

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