Re: Shooting Ourselves in the Foot

"rick etter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Andrew Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "Dutch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > "Andrew Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
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> > > > As I said at the very start of this thread, "I am not arguing either
> > way"
> > > > because my primary reasons for not using animals are environmental.
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> > > Then you should be hunting and fishing, it is more environmentally
> > friendly
> >
> > How can you say that about fishing. Do you have any idea what happens to
> > the underwater environment when fish stocks get depleted?
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> Listen to yourself.  Are you this desperate to keep from actually doing
> something to help animals and the environment?  The number of fish that
you
> would take for your food would not be anything near a stock depletion
> number.

Of course I cannot deplete the stocks on my own, but the general
population can and is.

>  In fact, you may just save some by lowering the demand for
> mono-culture crop production and the attendent runoff of pesticides and
> fertilizers.

Actually the runoff is not at all responsible for fish stock depletion, it
is only responsible for silting the water and creating the estaury, which
if you don't already know provides excellennt habitat for juvanile fish.
Not that there would be a great need for it if fish stocks were not
depleted.

>  You really should try to think your dogma through a little
> more thoroughly.  The same goes for hunting.  Which I notice you didn't
even
> try to refute.
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Why should hunting be any different from fishing. If we can overfish the
oceans then we can certainly overhunt the land. I would think that large
scale hunting for food with the earths current population is unsustainable,
however if you have figures which prove me wrong let me know.

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> > > than the large-scale monoculture farming that at least partially
> supports
> > > most vegan diets.
> > >
> > > [..]
> > >
> > > > My point is that I don't think humans have a clue about how
ecosystems
> > > > really work and it seems to me that the more we can leave them be
then
> > > > the better. The problem is that people do not notice gradual
changes,
> > > > if someone moved into my street these days they would probably think
> > > > that the bay had always been like it is, lifeless and dirty.
> > >
> > > This is about a hunter who supposedly realized one day that his quarry
> > were
> > > living, breathing creatures, "saw the light", found compassion, quit
> > > hunting, and went vegetarian. It was never about environmentalism.
> > >
> > > I'm more convinced than ever that the story is a fake. Making demons
out
> > of
> > > all hunters is all too typical a routine for vegans and ARAs, anything
> to
> > > reinforce this us/them notion that supports their raging sanctimony.
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