Re: If life is a benefit...

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:07:46 -0500, "Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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>"Jonathan Ball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> Miller wrote:
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>> >>On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:01:58 GMT, ipse dixit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> >>If life is a benefit, then it's logically certain that
>> >>no life [ie never existing at all] is a loss.
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>> > Why is deference to dualism logical?  And what does "life is a benefit"
>mean
>> > to you in the first place?
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>> You have to go back to the moron who has introduced
>> this loathsome construction in the first place, a
>> high-school dropout in Atlanta named David Harrison,
>> better known as Fuckwit.  He believes that the mere
>> fact of "getting to experience life" (his phrasing,
>> hence the quotes) is a "benefit" to farm animals.  As a
>> logically necessary consequence, and borne out in his
>> further incoherent scribblings on the topic, he
>> believes that "vegans" are trying to impose a loss on
>> unconceived "future farm animals" by trying to get
>> everyone to become vegetarian, thereby ensuring the
>> extinction of farm animals raised for human consumption.
>>
>> It's a dirty, juvenile, stupid clumsy trick he's been
>> trying to play on "vegans" for about four and a half
>> years now.
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>Well, its somewhat interesting, I guess.  Seems to engender a bit of fierce
>opposition.
>
>Scott

    Which is expected. "ARAs" want people to believe that the
most ethical approach we could take would be to all become 
veg*n, so no more animals are "killed" for food. They seem to
have promoted that idea fairly successfully, and the last thing
they would want is to see people decide it would be better to
provide farm animals with decent lives, than it would be to 
prevent them from having any. They are also very opposed to
seeing it pointed out that some types of meat involve fewer
animal deaths than some types of veggies. We can get over
500 servings of beef from the life and death of a grass raised
steer. Due to plowing, planting, use of *icides, harvesting, and
protection of stored grains, a few servings of tofu are likely to
involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings of grass
raised beef. If veg*ns really cared about animals, they would
want such things pointed out. But since they don't, they are
opposed to seeing them pointed out, and as you can see they
are opposed to seeing it pointed out that some farm animals
benefit from farming....things like that don't contribute to the
impression of ethical superiority they want to promote for 
themselves.