Re: Shooting Ourselves in the Foot

"Andrew Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Dutch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "Andrew Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > > "ta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> > > > > Interesting how this letter from an ex-hunter almostly exactly
> echoes
> > > the
> > > > > sentiments laid out in the "Reasons/Excuses for Hunting and
Fishing"
> > > > thread.
> > > > > My comments enclosed with **
> > > >
> > > > This [alleged] person became squeamish so now they buy their meat at
> > > Safeway
> > > > so they don't have to kill animals for themselves. The next step,
they
> > > > beccome squeamish about that and become a vegetarian so they can
> pretend
> > > > that their food and lifestyle doesn't involve killing of animals at
> all.
> > > > Then they can put up a website to make themselves feel important by
> > > > condemning unsqueamish people. No,it's not interesting at all, it's
a
> > > tired
> > > > old story.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm not arguing either way,
> >
> > Really? Are you telling me that you're not sympathetic to his "journey
> into
> > compassion"?
> >
> >  however I do think you should have read the
> > > article properly before commenting on it.
> >
> > I did read it, why would you assume I didn't?.
> >
>
> Because your response was not in concordance wth the article:

I didn't buy into his game.

> 1) You said he now buys meat from Safeway, whereas the article says he
>    is a vegetarian.

I went on to say that he first stopped hunting then subsequently became a
vegetarian, which is a typical and likely course of events.

> 2) You said he pretends that his food and lifestyle does not involve the
>    killing of animals at all, whereas the article stated that he accepted
>    that even as a vege he still kills animals.

Acknowledging that bugs splat on one's windshield has nothing to do with
diet, a typical urban vegan diet has a toll of more than dead bugs. There
are also mammals, amphibians and birds. The bug splat comment is a
transparent attempt to make it appear he is being humble and realistic about
his impact when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. He
obviously feels that he has risen to a higher plane of existence above the
level of a person who would obtain food by hunting when he says "I have a
lot of making up to do", and he feels that avoiding animal products is
accomplishing this. Inherent in this self-serving conclusion is the typical
vegan/AR fallacy, "I don't consume animal products, thefore animals don't
suffer (or the fallback position, fewer animals suffer) to support my diet
and lifestyle".


> > > From the article:
> > > -------------------------
> > > Am I responsible for the death of animals, even though I am a
> vegetarian,
> > > don't use leather or fur? Sure. One only need observe the bugs on my
> truck
> > > grill to see that. But I have decided to minimize my impact on animals
> and
> > > work to help them, rather than kill them.
> >
> > There's nothing in that article to indicate he is "minimizing" his
impact
> on
> > animals, on the contrary, by substutiting store-bought, agribusiness
plant
> > based foods for that nutrient rich food he used to get by hunting has
very
> > likely increased his overall impact on animals. When you consider the
> impact
> > of pesticides, hebicides, loss of habitat, ploughing, harvesting,
storage,
> > etc.. his personal animal deaths per calorie quotient has almost surely
> > increased.

No comment?

> > > I have a lot of making up to do.
> >
> > As I said, his concern is all about his own sensibilities, not about the
> > animals.
> >
> > If you want my opinion, this article was faked by an animal rights
> advocate,
> > it has all the earmarks of their fallacious thinking.
> >
> >
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