Way to go, Dutch - you just made Fuckwit's argument for him.

History shows that Dutch has always been keen
to use Jonathan's argument against Harrison in
an effort to show that Harrison is an ARA or just
completely stupid. By this effort I mean that 
Dutch takes parts of Jon's paragraphs and then 
replaces a few of his words for a handful he
finds in a thesaurus to sound erudite.  

A big part in Jonathan's argument against
Harrison is to convince him that animals do
not benefit from life per se, and, as expected
Dutch argues exactly the same.
 
"That's because nobody "benefits from life", 
you dickwad. You LIVE life, you appreciate 
life, but you don't "benefit from" it. Life 
is not a benefit, it's a prerequisite to 
receiving a benefit."
Dutch Date: 2002-12-06

But, less than a week ago Dutch made a huge 
error in finally admitting he was wrong, and that 
animals do benefit from life and our moral 
consideration in removing their predators, first 
so they can then reproduce prodigiously.

"The deer benefit from the loss of predators, first 
because they are able to reproduce prodigiously, 
and second because being shot is a bound to be 
less painful than being brought down by wolves 
and having one's guts ripped out while you're still 
breathing.."
Dutch Date: 2003-11-20

To which Jonathan Ball replied, "Way to go - you
just made Fuckwit's argument for him."

Apart from obviously making Harrison's argument
for him, as Jon says, Dutch now claims that Jon 
has made a mistake believing that, and the reason 
he gives is, "He's become too close to Fuckwit's
argument.

[Dutch]
> > >Jonathan was mistaken in this case
[ipse dixit]
> No, he wasn't. He correctly observed, "Way to 
> go - you just made Fuckwit's argument for him."
[Dutch]
Nope, he is usually absolutely dead-on in his 
arguments but in this case incorrect. He's become 
too close to fuckwit's argument.
Dutch  Date: 2003-11-22

I'd say it was the opposite actually, because it's
clear that although Dutch's spiteful attacks on 
Harrison have been unwarranted, he's also been 
in complete agreement with him all the time. He
concedes that animals do benefit from "getting
to experience life" AND reproducing by admitting,
"Of course they do."

[start ipse dixit]
>> As expected, and just like Harrison, you are now
>> equivocating between who benefits from allowing
>> animals to live ("getting  to experience life") and
>> reproduce. It's clear from your initial statement that
>> you believe the animals themselves benefit ("The
>> deer benefit from the loss of predation")
[Dutch]
>Of course they do
[ipse dixit]
Way to go ....
[end]
Date 2003-11-25

He believes, as Harrison does, that animals do 
benefit from experiencing life and being able to 
reproduce, even individually.

"The deer are not subjected to constant predatory 
pressure, that's a benefit to them *individually*, as 
herds and as a wild species." *my emphasis*
Dutch  Date: 2003-11-21

I think Dutch owes Harrison an apology.