Re: Boycott CBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:59:32 -0700, Rat & Swan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>swamp wrote:
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>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:13:03 -0700, Rat & Swan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>>Swamp, this was the early 1980's.  Nobody was sure how contagious HIV
>>>was through vaginal secretions. The point is that Lesbians were also
>>>concerned, and targeted for safe-sex information, such as it was then.
>>>Plus, there was the issue of blood in S/M.
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>> ok. Now we're in 2003. Why do you capitilize "lesbians," what
>> difference does the woman's sexual preference make wrt AIDS, and why
>> not stick to the facts?
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>Swamp, the claim was that the gay community didn't help itself.
>My answer is that it did, beginning with the 1980's when the plague
>first became a major issue in the community.  Gays/lesbians didn't
>just sit around on their butts waiting for government hand-outs;
>they organized to help each other
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>> Facts are more important than condoms, imo.
>> Using another's suspect argument to promote homosexuality/lesbianism
>> in the '80s or now is of no consequence, but twisting epidemiological
>> data to promote an agenda isn't a good idea.
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>> Gay males are high risk for HIV. Lesbians aren't. Even in 2003.
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>But lesbians are at risk, especially in the S/M community, and the
>gay community responded by giving them, too, information and
>support.  Besides,as I said, nobody knew _how_ at risk they were
>then.  The community pushed safe-sex in any situation, by anybody,
>at any time. I remember safe-sex promoters talking about sterilizing
>forks and spoons in the dishwasher in homes with people with AIDS,
>and not having AIDS patients make the salad for fear they might cut
>themselves cutting vegetables and get a bit of blood in the salad.
>We were not only aware and cautious; we were downright paranoid.

I don't understand all the *.politics terms, but I believe you're
hand-waving. Silverware isn't a vector. I *do* understand the 80s
worry about AIDS as we lost a potentially good MD (1600 score on the
MCATs) and definitely good guy to it in '86. However, I don't recall
the S/M/gay "community" being as responsible as you'd portray them. SF
bathhouses didn't shut down until people started dropping like flies,
and then did so reluctantlly.

Regardless, lesbians aren't and never were at serious risk from AIDS,
s/m lesbians or not. You don't have the "plumbing" to spread the
disease. Maybe some vaginal/oral/vaginal specific virus will come up
in the future and y'all can wave your banners on Haight & Ashbury. I
sincerely hope it doesn't.

>Rat

-- swamp