Re: Information

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:20:53 -0500, "rick etter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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>"ipse dixit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:35:07 -0500, "rick etter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >"ipse dixit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> "rick etter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > "frlpwr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> > > There are massive numbers of collateral deaths
>> >> > > associated with livestock production, most of
>> >> > > them intentional.
>> >> > =======================
>> >> > Name them.
>> >>
>> >> You've been shown the evidence many times
>> >> now, yet you still refuse to believe that livestock
>> >> production accrues collateral deaths.
>> >==================
>> >Nope.  The livestock I eat sees none of that.  Too 
>> >bad for you, hypocrite...
>> >
>> Then you are in a very weak position to claim
>> collateral deaths accrue during the production
>> of any foods at all, let alone vegetables, and
>> you're crapping all over the likes of cowardly
>> Brandon, Swamp, Usual Suspect and Dutch
>> every time you make this stupid claim.
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>nope.
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I can assure you it does, for how are they going
to look when only seizing on the vegans who
allegedly deny the fact that animals die collaterally
for their veg? Every time they ignore your claim
that no animals die during the production of your
grass fed beef, they will be seen as the biased 
hypocrites that they really are. I'll make sure of it.
>
>> >
>> >snippage of your usual spew...
>> >
>> <unsnipped evidence showing the collateral
>>   deaths associated with YOUR food>
>===============
>nope
>
"Nope" is not a valid refutation to the evidence
proving animals die collaterally for your grass
fed beef.
>
>snippage of usual spew....  repeating it doesn't make it so, killer.

What makes it so, is that the evidence is from a
reliable source and cannot be disputed without
good reason. Simply and ignorantly snipping it
away doesn't prove your food is CD-free.

[The Animal Damage Control (ADC) program is
administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture
under its Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
(APHIS). One of ADC's biggest and most controversial
activities is killing coyotes and other predators, primarily
to protect western livestock.

Under pressure from ranchers, the U.S. government
exterminates tens of thousands of predator and "nuisance"
animals each year.  In 1989, a partial list of animals killed
by the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal Damage
Control Program included 86,502 coyotes, 7,158 foxes,
236 black bears, 1,220 bobcats, and 80 wolves.  In 1988,
4.6 million birds, 9,000 beavers, 76,000 coyotes, 5,000
raccoons, 300 black bears, and 200 mountain lions, among
others, were killed.  Some 400 pet dogs and 100 cats were
also inadvertently killed.  Extermination methods used include
poisoning, shooting, gassing, and burning animals in their dens.
Keith Schneider, "Mediating the Federal War of the Jungle,"
New York Times, July 9, 1991, 4E;  Carol Grunewald, ed,
_Animal Activist Alert_, 8:3 (Washington D.C.: Humane
Society of the United States, 1990), 3.]
http://www.ti.org/adcreport.html

The grass fed beef you claim to eat is protected
by programs such as the ADC, and besides that,
it has to be slaughtered, processed, stored and
distributed like any other foodstuff. Your claim,
that no animals die for you grass fed beef is absurd.