Re: Call To Ban All Fishing In 1/3 Of World's Seas

"usual suspect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Zakhar wrote:
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> >>Veal is not inhumane in and of itself, especially when grown outside of
> >>the conditions misrepresented as the norm by ARAs. That's true of all
> >>animal husbandry. Your ARA friends are showing you the worst examples,
> >>all of which are punishable in western nations. FWIW, US veal is grown
> >>with a healthful diet, plenty of room to move around, and the ability to
> >>see other livestock (i.e., they're not isolated in tiny crates).
> >
> > Crap.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/lvo5
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> Those aren't tiny crates. The animals have plenty of room and it looks
> like plenty of feed. They also have some interaction with other animals.
>
> These are typical veal calf conditions according to the AR terrorists
> and propagandists:
> http://tinyurl.com/lvqv
> http://tinyurl.com/lvr1
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> > http://tinyurl.com/lvod
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>  From the article itself, we find that this is a picture (one of four in
> the article itself) of study conditions. Here's the link. You can find
> out what was being studied yourself:
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newsletters/v7n3/7n3morro.htm
>
> Try to be a little less shady with sources next time.
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/lvoh
>
> How about a link to the full story? Hard to trace it back with a link to
> one image, especially when the directory listing is denied.
>
> > http://www.osseoplastics.com/hutches.htm
>
> What's wrong with that? It's not a darkened, teeny-tiny wooden crate
> like AR terrorists and propagandists claim.
>
> >>>It might be the case that if there is a ban on fish, many people will
> >>>replace the fish flesh with the flesh of other animals....
> >>
> >>Yes, this is what will happen. Rather than consuming fish, which has
> >>beneficial fats that help raise LDL and lower LDL, they'll turn to
> >>livestock like lamb, beef, pork, and poultry.
> >
> > This is what may happen. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.
>
> What happens when the price of fish rises or falls? People resort to
> consuming substitutes. What are the most common, natural substitutes for
> fish? Other meats. *Some* people *may* abstain from other meats, but
> most people will continue eating meat. Remove favored fish species, and
> they *will* consume more of their favored meats.
>
> >>Bullshit. The fishing industry wants sustainability and profits. What
> >>good is a profit today if there's no chance of one tomorrow? That's why
> >>the fishing industry is working for sustainable practices.
> >
> > Crap. Some fishermen what sustainability. Some what whatever they can
get.
>
> ALL fishermen want sustainability. Why would they be in and remain in an
> industry, making large investments in capital (boats, nets, etc.) and
> labor, if they faced *no* future in it?
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