Re: New dog and territory marking

HOWEDY jonathan,

"Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >
> > I've always tried to avoid lunatic ideas from ranting folks on
an agenda
> > as well as snake oil concepts that come and go with the wind.
That thinking
> > has served me well and I'm sure it will continue to do so.
> >
> > Thanks for the input.
>
> I see you took 19 minutes to have your first Puppy Wizard
vindictive cross
> post & suss him out- wow,

You'll notice there have been no other responses to the OP'S
question.

> perhaps this is a new record?

Naaah. That's pretty common, when folks discover they're animal
or child abusers, like you did, on your first post to The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forum.

> Have you killfiled him yet-

As you have, jonathan?

> if so you may just be the champion PW reader!

Let's talk abHOWET you hurtin your dog to control
his anxiety destructive chewing and negative attention
getting stealing?

> Cheers, J. ;-)

Didn't take your dog long to learn you was a abuser. Did it.

Didn't take YOU long to find HOWET you was a abuser and coward.

Diagnostic Test - Mental Illness: Bipolar, Depression,
"ISM"s, Pathological Lying, Vs Character Defect Self
Defenses: Shame, Fear, Ego, Selfishness, Stupidity,
Greed, Pettiness, Gossip, Lying Lying.

HOWEDY People,

Certainly there are mentally ill people on HOWER
forums, but they're not the problem. The terminology
doesn't matter, they all are related, they all share the
same same same same symptoms. They apply pretty
well across the board to anyWON, if WON was to
EXAMINE themselves and the histories of HOWER
regular posters.

The PROBLEM here ain't the goddamned MENTAL
CASES, they're sheep... it's the DOG ABUSERS
and pathological liars, who TRAIN the MENTAL
CASES only to HIDE the shame of their abuses,
from themselves. That's the most painful part.

And that's HOWE you DIAGNOSE if you got a
MENTAL PROBLEM.

If it HURTS, THAT'S GOOD. Recognizing HOWER
ILLNESS is the first step to rehabilitation.

HOWEver, if YOU DEFEND IT, then you know
you're SICK IN THE HEAD, cause The Puppy
Wizard has been tellin you for FIVE YEARS
that you don't got to HURT.

You know all that Golden Rule crap in the bible,
sez "do unto other's" and all that "forgiveness"
stuff, and the "new age' freaks who sez you got
to FORGIVE yourself to forgive others? Well, that's
ALL TRUE, much as it tastes like MUSH to The
Puppy Wizard's palate.

All you got to do is come clean with yourself, admit
that you WAS NUTS but have double checked your
THINKIN before defending THE EPITOME of NUTS,
that being, HURTING FORCING BRIBING INTIMIDATING
and CRATING a dog to TRAIN IT -

Or ARGUING BEHAVIOR with The Puppy Wizard.

Let's talk BEHAVIOR, TRAINING, and HEALTH,
People, and WE'LL SEE WHO'S FREAKIN NUTS.

> Hi, I just ran across this site

Welcome to The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forum.

> and wanted to comment that the book
> "The dog who loved too much: tales,
> treatments and the psychology of dogs"
> by Nicholas H. Dodman

INDEED? The Puppy Wizard was just DONE
yesterday, DISCREDITING HOWER good dr
dodman as an INCOMPETENT dog abusing
pill pushin fake behaviorist.

> talks about the shadow chasing behavior above.

HOWER good doctor dodman's got a LOT to learn
before he'll ever be able to proficiently rehabilitate
dog behavior problems.

> The 'shadow chasing' and other similar
> compulsive behaviors are often actually
> a type of seizure disorder which usually
> begins onset around 6-12 months of age.

They're CAUSED BY STRESS from PUNISHMENT
CORRECTIONS TRADITIONAL OBEDIENCE
TRAINING CLICK / TREAT TRAINING / LURING /
WITHHOLDING TREATS and crating. In that order.

> Unfortunately,

Unfortunately, every thing HOWER university
trained descartean behaviorists know is BOGUS,
to quote professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes reflection" dermer of the ANAL-
ytic behaviorISM department of UofWI.

>  the field of animal psychology is relatively new

And the book is closed already, by The Puppy
Wizard, a poor uneducated back yard shade tree
shit kicking dog trainer... IMAGINE THAT?

> and much of the interesting research

Is flawed, because of inappupriate protocols
and corrupt information. GINGO. Garbage IN,
garbage HOWET.

>  so recent (1990's)

Yeah. The Puppy Wizard just goosed it up a
bit, let's say fifteen years into the future. dr
dodman and his ilk were further behind in
1990 than The Puppy Wizard was in 1980.

> that this information is not yet recognized
> or understood even by a lot of veterinarians
> and other animal professionals.

That so?  You mean, that natural born stupid
look professor dermer wears is for SHORE???

>  Not all animal behavior is a form of evolutionary
> adaptation or explained by stories of how dogs
> behave "in the wild".

Right, cause that'd fly in the face of the notion
of domestication, and would lower US to the
level of a fearal dog. Which fits very nicely
into the alphalpha duminance method.

>  There are actual psychological and behavioral
> disorders that certain dogs suffer, just as there
> are dogs that have diabetes, seizures and cancer.

INDEEDY. Recent research at UofOH sez STRESS
increases interluken-6 and cortisol which are responsible
for the breakdHOWEN of these systems, as MANY of
HOWER dog lover's dogs are experiencing.

LOOK AT YOUR FAILURES!

The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual Students NEVER
FAIL to get 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL
CONTROL, NEARLY INSTANTLY.

You cannot deny that, cause anybody tells you
any different, DIDN'T FOLLOW THE METHOD
and DIDN'T ASK The Puppy Wizard for additional
FREE HEELP.

Well, that's not EXXXACTLY true, HOWEver.
krisHURT and janet boss and steve boyer and
a halwit from Norway or Holland CLAIMED the
Method didn't work, but upon examination, they
PROVED they'd NEVER READ the text or worked
the GESTALT as INSTRUCTED.

> This book will explain many odd and *normal*
> sorts of behaviors that your dog may be exhibiting.

NO IT WON'T. It'll waltz you by your willie till the
goddamned cows come back to their HOWESES.

> The dog food plays a role in that high protein
> diets increase an animal's energy level and
> can exacerbate certain behaviors.

Probably false. The risk of temperament and
behavior problems are primarily from preservatives
and allergies to wheat corn etc. and imbalance
of enzymes, electrolytes, and all what that goes
into the electrical conductivity and cell wall
membrane trainsfer of STUFF, like environmental
toxins AND STRESS. NOT necessarily in that order.

> Incidentally, the practice of barking at, biting,
> or shaking the scruff of a dog's neck is NOT
> effective and only leads to more aggressiveness.

IT'S RECOMMENDED BY PROFESSOR SCRUFF
SHAKE dermer, formally of UofWI department of
behavior... Ask him abHOWET allelomimetic behavior
and the kids climbing all over the dog on the living
room floor ON A GIANT BREED DOG with a SCRUFF
SHAKING BACKGRHOWEND.

>  I've learned this in a course from a licensed
> dog trainer who also trains dogs for shows
> and agility trials.

The Puppy Wizard has forty sumpthin years of
specializing in temperament and behavior problems
and protection training in mostly giant breed dogs.

> Please check out this book

BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

The book is USELESS, as the INFORMATION
the good dr TEACHES is WHAT CAUSES those
owner anxiety induced problems...

> to learn more about your dogs

The Puppy Wizard has thus far discredited
every trainer and behaviorist who's been
ever though abHOWET, here abHOWETS.

> and how you can deal with and help them.

The Puppy Wizard sez dr dodmand and his ilk
got no goddamned business representing themselves
to be EXXXPERTS in The Puppy Wizard's BUSINESS.

> -Charlene

Here's three or four "behaviorists" turnin
like maggots on a fry pan:

HOWEDY tara o..,

"Tara O." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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:
> A pretty good website for pet owners is:  www.petplace.com

That so? That's the kind of advice which got YOUR dog Summer DEAD.

> You'll find training tips,

That's hugely debatable, tara o..

> health tips and a host of articles that cover
> just about any training or behavioral issue.

Yeah. The Puppy Wizard reviewed a couple
and fHOWEND them pretty LHOWESY:

> --
> Tara

by: Dr. Michelle Posage and Dr. Amy Marder
Edited by: Dr. Nicholas Dodman:

"In most cases, the frequency and severity of aggressive
behavior can be reduced, but not eliminated completely.
The most that may be accomplished is to reduce the
probability of aggression. You must weigh the risks of
keeping an aggressive dog against the benefits."

IOW, KILL THE DOG?

"If your dogs are fighting, do not get in the middle.
Interrupt the aggression using water, loud noises,
blankets or sprays."

IOW, USE AVERSIVES TO TEACH FRIENDSHIP AND TRUST?

by: Dr. Monique Chrétien
Edited by: Dr. Nicholas Dodman:

"If your dog is digging to escape from the yard, try to figure out
why.

Give very serious consideration to improving your containment
system. The addition of an underground electronic fence or a
fence that extends under the ground may be the only way to
frustrate a skillful escape artist."

THAT'S WHAT GOT Misty's dog Peaches DEAD ON HER.

by: Dr. Nicholas Dodman:

Dealing with Dogs that Run Away:

"Some dogs are just born to run away. Although the reasons
for this are varied, there are a couple of common themes.

Dogs run away to go to a better place where something
rewarding may happen or to escape from a real or
perceived danger."

LIKE YOUR SHOCK FENCE, "dr" dodman?

"No one in his right mind would allow a dog to roam
these days. There's too much trouble out there - not
to mention leash laws.

Some dogs are just born to run. Although the reasons
for running away are varied, there are a couple of
common themes. Dogs run away either a) to get to a
better place where something rewarding may happen
or b) to escape from a real or perceived danger."

Like to get away from their abusive owners who SHOCK
THEM on YOUR SEZ SO, doctors.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

A Dog Is A Dog As A Child Is A Child. They Respond
In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive,
Reflexive, Ways, To Circumstances And Situations
Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.


HOWEDY People,

The Puppy Wizard trains People all over the Whole Wild
World, to train their dogs using NUTHIN but the Pure
Perfect Power Of Potentialized Pleasure Of Prolonged
Non Physical Praise, for FREE.

HOWE DOES the Pure Perfect Power Of Potentialized
Pleasure Of Prolonged Non Physical Praise work?

LIKE FREAKIN MAGICK, GODDAMNIT!

The Puppy Wizard's dogs have NEVER seen HIM cast a frown
or evil eye in their direction or shamed, criticized, or
negatively
interacted or corrected them NO WAY, NO HOWE, on accHOWEnt
of - IT DON'T WORK.

There's ABSOLUTELY NO APPUPRIATE WAY to HURT,
INTIMIDATE, or FORCE, a dog or child.

HOWE COME?

Cause The Puppy Wizard SEZ SO.  THAT'S HOWE COME.

And THAT'S JUST HOWE IT IS.

The Puppy Wizard. <} : ~  )   >

"misty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you
write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a
shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay
home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping
my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-
shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now
<g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time. IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

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misty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.  Two dogs,
> two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back
> in the yard and would run for days.  The last time, Peach didn't
> come back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train my
dog.
> She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day reinforces
> her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the
> road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
> when we walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence
and
> its collars.  If you can't get a regular fence then you need to
> train your dog.  I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my
> dog in our yard again.
> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty

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<"Terri"@cyberhighway

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you
act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black
> box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the
box
first?)

Hello People,

Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..

Jerry!

You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing.  Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!

He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes.  Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.

I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!

Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...

Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.

I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass
lol!

Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.

A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship".  He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)...  Too cool....

Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!

Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard

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Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog.  We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz.  One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed.  When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).

She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months.  They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her  Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us.  Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes).  She barked!  Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door.  Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources.  In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad.  Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him.  I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)

Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227

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 "Hoku Beltz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Aloha Sunny,
> Just follow the training program to the
> letter, no matter how insignificant some
> of the step seem to be and your pupy will
> be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
> I would seriously consider backing out of
> the training classes as they will conflict
> with the Wit's End principles.
> I went the training route first, and still
> had problems until I found Wits' End.
> Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
> You won't be disappointed if you follow
> the program.
> Good luck,
> Hoku

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----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders.  I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now.  It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that.  Keep up the good work!

Hoku

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"JoeTheGuru" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
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JERRY SAVE THIS LAD!!!!

or it could be a troll <are you a troll??
do not use it on your dog.....

would you use it on your best friend.....

I have read jerry's book, it seems too easy at first.
however I started to use some of the training out of it and now.

I have a dog that heels as fast as a collie in a
trial.<great dane X mastiff

I have a dog that stays and never leaves the spot.

I have a dog that comes when ever I call.

I have a dog that never leaves the yard, never runs away.

I have a dog that stands still to be washed
with the cold hose.

I have a dog that never pulls on
the lead when we walk.

I have a dog that puts up with more abuse then a
dog should from my 2 year old <and loves it

I have a dog that barks at the fence only when some ones there.

I have a dog that would not care less if there is
another dog in the park <only wants to be with and
please me though a lot of this is due to me training the dog
<spending the
time with the dog.

jerry's book showed me not to punish the dog. but
just to work with the dog. which I liked the idea of
hence why I tried it. it is easy to become
frustrated with a dog when you are trying to train
them.

I look forward to my next puppy <ban dog> so
I can use the information from jerry's book
and see just how good a dog can get.

the dog I have now was when I picked her up from
the RSPCA. she could not walk on a lead <no idea.
cowered from every noise <and wet her self, messed
in the house at every turn. acted like I was killing her
when I dragged her over to the mess.

this was A 6 month old pup that had been beaten
<2.5 feet to the shoulder. I could of taken her back
however I knew I could bring her back to being to
be a dog.

the dog I have now at 1.5 years <same dog is a dog
to be proud to walk down the street with <3 feet to
the shoulder and still growing.

so well behaved even when people walk passed with
a out of control dog. gentle with my child and trustworthy
< I never have to worry that my dog will bite her, only
have to worry if a stranger comes over to my child.
still that is not a worry, she places herself between my
child and the stranger.

I may be plugging jerry's book, however with the
crap out there it is good to see that someone has
moved forward. looked at a different way to train
dogs. yes he gets into people, and in their face
you should back off a little jerry however he is
sick of the bashing, choking, shocking, shaking
and everything else. so jerry save this lad from
ruining his dog. later, Joe

===================

"I know that most men, including those at ease with
problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
                                -Leo Tolstoy-

Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated
more complaints to my personal email than any other
controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:

                                CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Wits' End Dog Training
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.doggydoright.com

Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
                                -Francis Bacon-

There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
                                -Nietzsche-

The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.

The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
corrections, and scolding.
                                -Jerry Howe-