Kids, Dogs, And PROTECTION

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dan Sullivan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: cross-posting

HOWEDY Dan,

> Hey PW,

The Puppy Wizard sez, "familiarity breeds contempt."

> I'd appreciate it if you'd only post to the NGs
> that are relevant to the care of dogs.

INDEEDY. The same same advice is relevent for children.

> IOW  stop cross-posting to, .

Is that on accHOWENT of The Puppy Wizard's
INFORMATION makes you look like a imbecile
and child abuser?

> Thank you for resolving this, Dan

NO PROBLEMO!

The Puppy Wizard intends to get laws passed with
TEETH in them to put parents who abuse children
and dogs in MENTAL INSTITUTES for the CRIMINALLY
INSANE.

TRUST The Puppy Wizard.

HOWEDY Joseph,

"Joseph Logan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Our 4 month old lab has recently become overly
> aggressive and started biting family members

That's very unusual for a puppy that age.

> and her leash.

That's caused by frustration from forced restraint.

> Today she bit my toddler in the leg when I picked
> her up and once I set her down the dog bit her right
> in the middle of her face.

Coulda been playin.

> She bites her leash when I try to take her
> for a walk and often just lays in the grass
> during her walk as if in defiance.

Right. You've got to learn to handle and train
her withHOWET force.

> Lately I've been keeping her outside during
> the day because she becomes too destructive
> inside.

Destructive chewing is caused by repression and anxiety.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

You been readin HOWER forums? You won't be gettin
no advice from HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Coward, they HURT and KILL dogs like you
got.

All dog and child behavior problems are caused by
mishandling.

You'll get all the INFORMATION you NEED to learn
HOWE to handle and train your dogs and children
in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

HOWEDY Barbara,

Seems your "effective" use of fear force intimidation
punishment and restriction has really paid off...

That's HOWE COME those methods NEED constant reinforcement.
Reinforcement NEVER ENDS.

What do you do nHOWE with your new playstation
and a headphonne set, and numberous other items
until a thousand dollar phone bill is paid off?

You think your kid didn't know runnin up a phone
bill would get him in the dog HOWES?

This ain't no different than a dog stealin dinner
off the cHOWENTER or eatin poison.

Of curse, denying your kids their STUFF while
payin back the phone bill will further reinforce
their animHOWEsity which caused them to
run the phone HOWETA CONTROL in the first
place.

"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right
action as separate, not the wise. If any man knows
one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

The level which is reached by wisdom is attained
through right action  as well. He who perceives
that the two are one knows the truth."

"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

What is the use of compulsion then? The love and
hate which are aroused by the objects of sense arise
from Nature, do not yield to them. They only obstruct
the path." Bhagavad Gita, adapted by Krishna with
permission from His FREE copy of my FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual.

Let's take a look see at the rest of this post:

"Barbara Bomberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:05:14 -0400, "Stephanie and Tim"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >"GI Trekker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> <<Recent posts have me wondering, do any
> >> people, or theorists that you know, do things
> >> other than "time out" when a child engages
> >> in a behavior that is clearly wrong?

Let's forget abHOWET "clearly wrong," as that
will put you at odds with the child or dog, who
may or may not understand your values.

> >> Yes, for younger children it's called spanking.

The OBJECTIVE is not to HURT, but to TEACH.
Spanking and scolding and otherWIZE teaching
a child or dog to FEAR an abusive bully only teaches
animHOWEsity and fear, which fosters lying and
sneakiness.

Would your kids have run up the phone bill if you
was standing there threatening them??? Of curse
not!

That's HOWE COME forcing control NEVER WORKS,
unless you're gonna stand there FOREVER  and FORCE
CONTROL.

You can't do that when the kid or dog gets big
enough to jump the fence or otherWIZE, escape
your control.

> >> For older children it can involve grounding,

The Puppy Wizard was NEVER grHOWENDED
as a child.

> >> the revokation of privileges,

The Puppy Wizard LAUGHS at punishment.

> > or the temporary confiscation of personal belongings
> > (what good does it do to punish a kid by sending him
> > to his room if all his stuff is in there?)

Yeah. Punishment DOES NOT WORK, it only teaches
ANTI SOCIAL and CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.

> >Well I guess it depends on what you want to achieve.

Parents and dog owners who PUNISH have only their
own FEELINGS to protetct, they're unaware of the HARM
they cause their charges and society when they ESCAPE
FORCED CONTROL.

> >If you want to acheive mindless cessation of the
> >offending behavior, these techniques will work,

NO. That's an ILLUSION.

The behaviors RESUME soon as the PUNISHER
is unavailable to PUNISH the undesirable behaviors.

Each LAPS in CONTROL where the victim achieves
his goals, is called VARIABLE REINFORCEMENT,
in behaviorISM lingo.

Any dog trainer will tell you variable reinforcement
is like pullin the arm of a slot machine, to a gambler.

FORCE TRAINING DOES NOT WORK, not withHOWET
GUARANTEED 10% FAILURE, or MOORE.

> > in the short term.

Right. Force trainers are only concerned with the moment,
cause they do not possess the intellect to HOWEtwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog or child.

> >  If you want to raise a child who is capable of using
> > judgement to determine right from wrong for herself,
> > then this is the wrong way to go.

INDEEDY.

> I would disagree.

Is that so?

> As somone who has been there, I would suggest that
> one can in fact "discipline" a child through confiscation
> and groundings

To teach fair mindedness, trust, and respect?

>  and still allow that child to determine right from wrong.

FORGET RIGHT or WRONG. Dogs and children do
not know right from wrong, that's YOUR VALUES
you TEACH through DEMONSTRATED SELF DISCIPLINE.

PUNISHING is WRONG.

> For one thing, even if a child knows that something
> is "right" doesn't mean that the child will "do the right
> thing"  all the time.

Well, that's YOUR EXPERIENCE because YOU
FORCE CONTROL through punishment and intimidation
which INCREASES ANXIETY and like the slot machine,
VARIABLY REINFORCES the inapupriate behaviors when
the CONTROLLER is not there to REINFORCE the behaviors
which have been REPRESSED...

REPRESSING BEHAVIORS only causes then to CHANGE,
to OTHER, SEEMINGLY NON RELATED behaviors as
anxiety relief mechanisms.

> And for another thing, not all issues are "right" and
>  "wrong" kind of sitatuions.

As a parent or dog owner, there are no grey areas
to RIGHT or WRONG. Punishing IS WON of those
WRONG situation which are WRONG ALL THE TIME.

You cannot teach VALUE JUDGEMENTS through FEAR.

> And some "whys" and rights and wrongs are varied
> by family and too dificult for child to undersand.

So, you'll TRY HARDER to FORCE values and judgement
through INTIMIDATION, FORCE, RESTRAINT, and DENIAL?

> When I make an absolute statement saying "We
> dont throw toys in the house" or "We don't bounce
> on the furniture" or whaver, of course eventually I
> want the child to understand the motivation and my
> reasoning, and I reinforce these regularly.

BWEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Tellin the child or dog "NO!" for unacceptable
behaviors teaches them HOWE to FORCE
CONTROL over YOU.

Any time the child or dog can stop you dead
in your tracks to address their inapupriate
behaviors REINFORCES THEIR POWER
over you and DEFEATS YOUR PUPORSE.

>  Hopefully this is a two pronged attack.

Perhaps if you chose NOT to ATTACK your
kids they wouldn't run up tHOWEsand dollar
phone bills, KNOWING FULL WELL, they'd
GET CAUGHT AND PUNISED accordingly?

EVER THINK OF THAT???

YOUR METHOD FAILED MISERABLY, yet
you will DIE DEFENDING IT, cause if YOU
are DEAD WRONG, your HUMAN NATURE
will NOT allHOWE YOU to ADMIT IT, and
your CONSCIENCE will HIDE from scrutiny.

That's HOWE COME the KILLFILE The Puppy
Wizard campaignes.

> Of course since my youngest is now in high
> school, the wrongs and rights and thinking
> for oneself become more interested.  They also
> become more interesting.

Yeah... Looks like you done REAL GOOD!

> Barb (who owns a playstation, a headphonne
> set, and numberous other items until a thousand
> dollar phone bill is paid off)

When you're done strip dHOWEN searchin your
kids for STUFF and locking them in their bare rooms,
SOCIETY will be REQUIRED to REINFORCE YOUR
TRAINING, in the PRISON SYSTEM...

The son of a slave, is a slave.

> > I went looking for ways to express what I mean.
> > This quote illustrates what I mean:
>
> >"it helps us to open the lines of comunication with
> > our kids, and motivate them to want to do the right
> > thing- not just worry about 'getting caught.' "

INDEEDY. As taught in your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual.

> >about this book

<snip book>
>
> > Being motivated to do the right thing is what
> > I am shooting for. I think I will buy this book.

Before you invest your hard earned dough, study your
FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual and extrapolate the
methods for use on your children.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

A Dog Is A Dog As A Child Is A Child. They Respond
In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive,
Reflexive, Ways, To Circumstances And Situations
Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.


> >S

Here's a mom of three children and two dogs who
resolved all her behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY:

> > ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
> >
> > Subject: Re: Discipline
> > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:43:46 -0500
> > From: Amanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
> >
> >  On Wednesday 15 January 2003 01:54, "N wrote:
> >
> > i responded in katie's mail.. youll get it before this one :)
> > i'm not the expert.. mr. howe is teaching me..  and im
> > figuring alot out.. plus its just coming to me.. two months
> > ago i would cry cuz i was soooo lost... and now i go ahead
> > and live it...  like he gave me just enough for my brain to
fill
> > in the rest?
> >
> > when i would swat in my early parent years.. up until i got
> > crunchy this last year.. i swore spanking was great.. a lil
> > bit of fear in yo' momma is what i would say.. and my family
> > supported me.. you can spank and not be abusive.
> >
> >  then i felt guilty... not because i knew better, but becuase
> >  you guys and others did it wihtout spanking.. better than
> >  me... but i would still say i just have bad kids.. then i
started
> >  feeling guilty.. asked for help.. got some advice and it
> > worked  some..but not much.. enought to make me think
> > i did it..
>
> > then it wouldn't help..
> >
> > then i heard him tell someone on  the news group "Do you
> > think hitting babies is intelligent" and i was like whoa.. now
i
> > feel like cocka and pray every time i distract them that they
> > can somehow grow up not to hate me.. and i pray i caught
> > myself in enough time.
> >
> > > Could you possibly be a little more specific about what
> > > you do? How  you implement this? I have spanked, I
> > > look at each time as a failure on my part, either in
> > > communication, or not reading the kids correctly or
> > >  in time to head off a meltdown. IT's almost always
> > > been out of frustrtation. It's not something I want to do.
>
> > >  I would really be interested in hearing more about
> > > exactly how this works...
> >  >  N
> >  >
> >  > --- In  Amanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:
> >  >
> >  >  > On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T wrote:
> > >
> >  > I was and always have been a spanker.  It is all i knew
> >  > how.. i never, ever wanted to be.. but i was.  my
> >  > house/kids were out of control.. i was always stressed.
> >  > Since he and his wife came down sunday we've had a
> > > HUGE change... for the first time the kids didn't destroy
> > > my house before i woke up... my 3yo was in my bed
> > > coloring waiting for us to wake up...  this is the first
time
> > > she ever used paper :)
> > >
> >  > she usually does walls, furniture.
> >  >
> >  > Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works.  I
> >  > have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child :) and a very
> >  > bad-a$$ 19 month old.  They are all smarter than I am and
> >  > know it :)
> >
> >  > There has not been a temper tantrum in two days in my
> >  > house. You guys have no idea how great this is.  But best
> >  > of all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye or a tone of
> >  > that is in any way short of absolute praise.. no shouting..
> >  > not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada..
> >  >
> >  > ONLY praise.
> >  >
> >  > They even taught my kids not to take candy unless i say
> >  > so.. (my oldest will literally let you pierce her ears for
> >  > candy.. it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and
> >  > now the bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my closet
> >  > (where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there and NO
> > > ONE has eaten one!
> >
> >  > My 3 yo is even helping me pick up the house.. the baby
> >  > took my lingerie chest apart.. and she cleaned it up!
> >  > first time!  They don't even go out the open door without
> >  > my offering it!  they helped me sort laundry.. clean the
> >  > living room...  im amazed.  The 3 yo got some yogurt from
> >  > the fridge and walked to our kitchen table, sat down and
> >  > ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table and eat!
> >  >
> >  > We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so> when
> >  > they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you show me how
> > > you> sit pretyt??
> >  >
> >  > and they ALL hop down and show me to sit pretty with
> >  > their feet NOT on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded..
> >  > i almost fell over.. thanks for reminding me to share my
> > > joy!
>
> >  > I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol!
> >
> >  > here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!!
> >  >
> >  >>  how old is your bub amanda?  waht's the bub doing?
> >  >
> > --
> > Preserving Families One Day at a Time
> > http://www.dcfwatch.com
> >
> >  He that would make his own liberty secure must
> > guard even his  enemy from oppression; for if he
> > violates this duty he establishes  a precedent that
> > will reach to himself. -- 1776 From the American
> >  Crisis by Thomas Jefferson