Re: Evidence of God

Christopher A. Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On 1 Dec 2003 23:44:46 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Al Evan) wrote:
> 
> >
> >     I am not a Biblical scholar so I can't really comment on Till's
> >extensive quote from the bible-other than to comment that, his point
> >that there was more than one prophet prophesying--and they prophesied
> >in opposition to each other-is neither new nor very important.  What's
> >Till's point?  Biblical scholars already know this.  This factoid has
> >nothing to do with the uniqueness of the Bible.
> >     However, I will comment on his thought process using the
> >following  paragraph from Chapter 1:  "Much of what McDowell sees as
> >biblical "uniqueness" is actually the result of political and social
> >chance and circumstance. Christianity happened to take root and thrive
> >in a geographical area that became more technologically advanced than
> >other parts of the world, and it also enjoyed favored status from
> >governmental institutions that suppressed opposition to it."
> >
> >     What are we to make of this?  Other than that, Till is a believer
> >in the "Chance" method of evolution. 
> 
> Strawman.
>  
> >                                     Evolutionists now agree that it
> 
> No such thing as an "evolutionist" outside the paranoid fantasies of
> creationists - it'stheir dishonest attempt to turn the reality into an
> -ism.
> 
> >wasn't, as originally thought, strictly "Survival of the fittest", but
> 
> You're talking 150-year-old science.
> 
> >the chance survival of members of species with particular propitious
> >physical attributes-like a slightly larger brain.  Also, Evolution is
> >not a continuum, as was also originally thought, but it works in
> >spurts with large, dry spells, between growth spurts. The world is,
> >apparently, in a dry spell at the present moment.
> 
> Straw man.
> 
> >     Anyway, if Till is right, geographical areas also evolve and
> >become technologically advanced. Apparently Till believes that, if the
> >wind and rain blow and wash against mountains long enough they will
> >eventually carve out an automobile--and not just sand.  
> 
> Deliberate lie.
> 
> >                                                       It's like the
> >idea that a gadzillion monkeys, playing on typewriter keys, will
> >eventually write "King Lear", only with geographical areas.
> 
> Strawman.
> 
> >     According to Till then, the people who lived in the area were
> >just along for the ride.  Those Europeans didn't have a culture that
> >welcomed technology and change.  How could they welcome technology and
> >change?  They were Christians, and, you know, their rulers forced
> >everyone to be Christian.
> 
> The last sentence is, unusually for you, true.
> 
> >     Everybody knows that the culture created  by Christianity had
> >nothing to do with the supremacy of Western European concepts of
> >civilization. In fact, according to Till, the Christian culture of
> >Western Europe was contrary to Western European culture and
> >technological advances.
> 
> There is a reason the times when the church ruled, were called the
> dark ages.
> 
> >     Yeah, right!!!  So much for Farrell Till!  However, I do intend
> >to read Chapter 2.  I'm sure there must be great insights to be had
> >there.



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Stoney,
     Poverello!  Poor thing!  Farrell Till makes no sense, and you
know it...in fact, I know you know it!  "Strawman?!"  How you love
that term.  Why?  Till's argument is the real 'strawman.'  He's the
one who's trying to baffle the world with B.S. about 'geographical
areas' being the source of success in technology.

     'Lies?!!'  I didn't write that stuff, Till did!  Email that guy
about it.  I'm just the lucky guy who discerned it and passed out the
good news that it was wrong.  Look at your own response....'Deliberate
Lies?'  What, are you starting a church, too?  Can we next expect
immolations at the stake for liars?

     Furthermore, get yourself a Western Civ textbook that covers the
'Dark Ages'; and what they actually were--and what the Church actually
brought to the world during that period.  The age was 'Dark' because
all law and civilization had collapsed with the final end of Rome.

     The Church was, in fact, the only light that survived to bring
men out of the chaos--anarchy--that the barbarians brought to what had
been the civilized world.  It was the Church's missionaries and saints
who brought civilizing influence, and knowledge-reading, writing,
mathmatics, etc.-to places that were no better than the 'Land of
Mordor.'

     I don't think that you're a deliberate liar in reference to the,
so-called 'Dark Ages', but I do think that your statement indicates a
serious lack  of historical knowledge.  You should make an effort to
learn more about that transitional period.