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Al Evan writes: > That is my exact point: "No true atheist claims that there is no god." > What's yours? Then this would be the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. If you say "there is a God," then an atheist could either say "Nope, there ain't no God," or she could say, "I don't believe you." In the latter case either the onus would be on you to do some smooth talking and trying to prove your claim, or you could just ignore it altogether and pretend to put the onus back on her by telling her she is an atheist (true, because she says she doesn't believe you) and that the "true atheists" make the assertion that there is no god (false, because you want to weasel out of your burden of proof.) An atheist could either say "There is no God," or "I don't believe you," but you would have all atheists saying "There is no God." Hence, the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. That is what these folks are trying to tell you. There are two camps here; one of them is saying "I don't believe you," (i.e. the Llama camp) and the other is saying "there is no God, and I can back that up, but I don't feel like doing that just right now, but please do get it straight what is an atheist," (i.e. the Scamper camp.) -- "If an opponent rebuts a claim of irrelevance, the other party must reply to the opponent's rebuttal of the claim." -- J.F. Till
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