Re: Evidence of God

Libertarius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Al Evan wrote:
> 
> > stoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:04:02 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > > Message ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > > alt.atheism;
> > >
> > > >On 21 Nov 2003 16:35:42 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (whysohard)
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > >>> On 21 Nov 2003 00:32:21 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (whysohard)
> > > >>> wrote:
>  snip
> > > >>> >>>>>>>This is a good example of the wisdom of men.Since by their own 
> > > >>> >>>>>>>decision
> > > >>> >> > > to be an athiest, they gain faith in something else. Everyone has to
> > > >>> >> > > believe they have an origin, so the same applies
>  . only those with no wisdom would believe such a silly thing......
> > > >>> >> > > The author of the above line should be commended for proving their
> > > >>> >> > > own silliness, as you can apply any faith to it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Despite your erroneous conception of atheism, I do not have a faith.
> > > >>> I see absolutely no sense in basing a belief in anything on faith.
> > > >>> Believing something in spite of their being no evidence for it and in
> > > >>> spite of it being irrational is silly, and you have provided no
> > > >>> argument against that.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
> > > >>> "But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>> >If you don't have a faith, then you have no faith in athiesm,
> > > >>> > since athiesm cannot be proved to be correct-beyond reasonable doubt.
> > > >>> > So you are an athiest by faith, despite the conception, are you not?
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >No I am not.  Atheism is not the positive claim of anything, so there
> > > >is nothing to have faith in.  I am 100% certain that I have no faith
> > > >in any god, and that is all atheism is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
> > > >"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
> > >
> > > Damn!  The moron, "why" can't even post properly
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >              Stoney
> > > "Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
> > >                and
> > >           SCAMPERMEISTER!"
> > >
> > > When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
> > > When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
> > > When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
> > > /end humour alert
> > >
> > > alt.atheism military veteran #11
> > > {so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
> >
> > Stoney,
> > Atheism is the disbelief in god.  Disbelief is an action:  To
> > disbelieve something requires mental, and, sometimes, physical
> > activity.  It is not, as you say above, "...Atheism is not the
> > positive claim of anything..."  It most definitly is the positive
> > claim that there is no god.
> >
> > Therefore, your response to Why, that being an Atheist requires no
> > faith, is not true, because, if, as Why claims (and you did not
> > disagree), there is no proof that god does not exist, then you must
> > believe it as an act of faith--since you can't prove it.
> >
> > Thus, Why is logically correct:  You have Faith.
> 
> ===>If you decline to buy a piece of beach front in Arizona
> or the Bokklyn Bridge, you have "faith"????

   The act of declination of purchase is a positive act:  You choose
not to act.  Choice is a decision that you make.
   Furthermore, buying or not buying the Brooklyn Bridge is not, in
itself, an act of "faith":  You can be 100% certain that the Brooklyn
Bridge is, or is not, for sale--and the person trying to sell it to
you is scamming you--because you can physically see, touch, feel, and
get the deed, or whatever, that shows who is the actual owner-if
you're really interested in buying it.
   On the other hand, you can just take a shortcut from all of the
above, if you have  "faith" in your judgement that the Brooklyn Bridge
is not for sale, and you don't need to bother checking any physical
evidence to prove the same.
   In the latter instance, the answer is, "Yes!  Not buying the
Brooklyn Bridge or a piece of beach front property in Arizona, is an
act of "faith."

Al Evan