Re: seen evidence of Holocaust in museums?

Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Giwer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>Eugene Holman wrote:
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>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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>>>4. A detailed comparative forensic analysis of the fumigation chambers,
>>>gas chambers, and underground detention cells at Auschwitz that were
>>>exposed to cyanide was conducted by the IFRC, the results of which were
>>>published in 1994 as Markiewicz, Gubala, and Labedz, Z Zagadnien Sqdowych,
>>>z. XXX, 1994, 17-27. It is available at 
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/ .

>>        What does pesticide residue have to do with physical evidence of
>> gas chambers?

> Everything. 

> The pesticide, Zuklon-B, had cyanide as its lethal agent. It was designed
> to generate the concentration of 15,000 ppm maintained over the 15 hours
> needed to kill lice. Human beings lose consciousness almost immediately
> and die within fifteen minutes when exposed to 300 ppm of cyanide
> maintained over 15 minutes. Cyanide residue found in structures that other
> evidence indicates were used to gas people constitute clear physical
> evidence

        That is clear evidence you are arguing to a preconceived conclusion. That is 
not logical 
and it is not permitted in a court of law.

> of a history of repeated exposure to lethal concentrations of
> cyanide.

        Nice pseudo-tech talk but what does it have to do with gas chambers?

        All exposure is a product of concentration and time.

>>>A clearly written and copiously documented discussion of the issue is
>>>Richard J. Green's "The Chemitry of Auschwitz", available at 
>>>http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/ .
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>>        Nothing there to explain the absense of the equipment needed to
>> handle huge quantities of cyanide.

> No such equipment is needed. Zyklon-B was specifically designed to allow
> normal buildings, ships, and railroad cars to be disinfected by exposure
> to the high concentrations of cyanide needed to kill lice without such
> equipment. Professional exterminators using Zyklon-B in its civilian
> functions regularly generate, supervise, and disperse these high
> conentrations. At the Degesch trial it was demonstrated to the
> satisfaction of the court that the company had manufactured and delivered
> large amounts of Zyklon-B to Auschwitz, and trained camp personnel how to
> use it to kill people.

        So you are saying the gas chamber was aired out for several days between uses 
because 
there was no equipment to neutralize it and ventilate it. That puts a different 
complexion 
on the discussion. Unless of course you are saying the gas chamber had windows to open 
and 
then only one day between uses.

        And in making this claim you have discredited all the people who have 
described the use 
of the gas chamber which means you no longer have any credible witnesses.

        Calling holocaust survivors lias is a no no.

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>>>Any room that shows physical evidence of its walls and ventilation systems
>>>having been exposed to lethal concentrations of cyanide can have served as
>>>a facility for killing any people that happened to be trapped inside it
>>>when it was exposed to the cyanide.

>>        If all you have is "any room" then you don't have anything at all.

> The recent Moscow theater tragedy in which a fast-acting operating room
> anesthetic that was, in principle non-lethal, was introduced to the
> ambient air in a theater auditorium, killing 120 of about 800 hostages,
> shows how simple it is to gas people trapped in an enclosed space. No
> fancy equipment is needed. Every year thousands of people die in gassing
> accidents in normally built rooms and garages, once again demonstrating
> that a functional gas chamber is extremely easy to construct.

        So you are saying these gas chambers had state of the art ventilation systems 
into which 
the gas could be introduced? Again you call the witnesses liars.

> Any enclosure in which the conditions prevailing in a fatal gassing
> accident can be replicated and controlled is a functional gas chamber.
> Anybody trapped in a place where a powerful disinfecting agent such as
> cyanide in the concentrations needed to kill lice is introduced into the
> ambient air is going to suffer almost immediate unconsciousness and a
> rapid death. People who fail to see this are blinded by cultural baggage:
> a functional gas chamber need have none of the technical devices typical
> of an American gas chamber. A room sturdy enough to contain people long
> enough for them to be rendered unconscious by the cyanide introduced to
> the ambient air is, by definition, a gas chamber. Cyanide residues on the
> walls and in the ventilation structures of such a room constitute physical
> evidence of the room having been exposed to enough cyanide for anyone who
> happened to have been trapped inside to have been killed.

        I don't see where you are going with all of this as you have discredited all 
the people 
who have claimed to be witnesses so there is nothing to explain.

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