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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Fred, >Men have produced many things including their own 'gods' Yes, and we find that since all gods and goddesses are equally unevidenced outside of the imagination, all gods and goddesses are equal. There's no reason to select one piece of the available panthon and claim they exist and point at the rest and claim they don't. > (even atheists have their own 'god' : themselves) . Just because people don't have gods doesn't mean you need to pretend they're gods. Everyone is born an atheist. It takes willful indoctrination into the occult to make people believe there are invisible superfriends hopping around the place. >That doesnt discount the fact that someONE made this >universe out of nothing and purposed it into being. The fact is that the origin of origins of the Universe as currently described in contemporary cosmologies don't require nor desire any gods or goddesses. In fact, physics being what they are -- immutable -- if any gods, goddesses, witches and what not actually existed, the universe would be unrecognizable and probably wouldn't be capable of supporting carbon based life. >Now... science tells us that this universe had a definite beginning >based on the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the radiation echo, and the >expanding (outward) universe . <groan> No, the Second Law of Thermodynamics talks about the distribution of heat within a given closed system after given set conditions have been posited. The "radiation echo" is 3.2 kelvins of microwave radiation that's all that's left of the initial heat of the initial big-bang. It's not an "echo," it's an isotropic though not completely uniform ancient heat. Also the expansion phase of the current era contradicts what's written in the classical Christanic mythologies which repeats what the ignorant goat farmers who wrote the mythologiesd believed; i.e. that the "heavens are fixed." >So, would the following be your idea of rationality : That the universe >was brought about (willed) by noONE out of NOTHING for NO REASON ??? Welcome to the real world, kid. Trying to claim deity constructs are responsible for beta decay, quantum fluctuations, or little girls is kind of cute when you're an 8-year-old but it's time to grow up and accept the fact that you're going to die some day and there are no gods that can help you avoid that unavoidable eventuality. --- Yes, George W. Bush is an unelected baby killing fascist dictator. Those who are _against_ freedom call another's fight to be free "terrorism."
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