Re: Praise for Planning and Preparation (Why Not Helium?)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (SOD of the CoE) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Hail Satan!  50031126 vii om
> 
>                       REACH OUT AND TOUCH YOURSELF
> 
> # ...a lot of planning 
> 
> responsible terminations do require some of this, yes.


Thanks for letting me know. That's actually why I've been planning for
months already and looked into every conceivable suicide method under
the sun. The research on most methods was last year though, and I
didn't keep all information I gathered as I was trying to make things
better, so forgive me if I shouldn't remember every single detail of
every single method, especially of those that I had already ruled
pretty much out to focus more on hanging.

> # and also equipment involved. 
> # ...helium tank, ...mask, 
> # ...something to measure how pure the helium is and what not, 
> 
> that does sound involved.
> 
> # and if any of this should be delivered when my SO is around, 
> # he would really wonder why on earth I need this big helium 
> # tank, and I would have to stutter something about a surprise 
> # party for my sweetheart with lots of balloons. 
> 
> that might be complicated.
> 
> # The Church of Euthanasia might praise this method....
> 
> of course not. I never praise avoiding confronting SOs about
> suicide. that's irresponsible. no surprise would be necessary
> if the SO was involved somehow. and if the SO would freak,
> then obviously unless you hate them, breaking up with them
> first would be the most considerate thing to do before
> ending it all. it's all over the symptomology, besides. of 
> course, if one hates them, one might lie to them about such 
> a party and slam them with a very blatant public suicide.

Who the fuck are you to preach to me about being considerate if you
don't know shit about my life, about what I'm confronting other people
with, and about what I consider and what not. This is all complicated
enough as it is, and I've spent almost more time trying to figure out
how to make this as non-traumatic to others as possible than on
figuring out a method, but I can only care so much about not
traumatizing those who haven't cared much about or even traumatized
me. Why am I justifying myself here, anyway?!

> # ...but it seemed to be a too complicated procedure to me....
> 
> compared to what, precisely?
> 
> there are surely simpler methods. jumping in front of a train.
> are they as sure or as private? not always. it varies. that's
> why any particular method can't be willy-nilly sanctified.
> me, I've got some ritual ideas. ;>

I'd actually already figured out a long time ago that no method is
perfect.
> 
> # I read somewhere 
> 
> where? the source of this information might be important data.
> we can compare and contrast authorities when you cite sources. ;>

As mentioned above, I cannot fucking learn all of the bazillion
sources I've ever read on methods by heart and recite them months
later. It might have been an excerpt of "Final Exit" where I read that
the helium method should rather not be done unassisted, as it is
better if someone is there in case something should go wrong while
you're unconscious or so, and things can always go wrong. I've heard
that there are even "complications", whatever they may be, in 25 % of
cases of the suicides *assisted* by *doctors* in the Netherlands.

> # that it is not recommded to do this all by yourself, as 
> # there are too many steps involved that you could mess up, 
> # and it doesn't look as if anyone is going to volunteer to 
> # assist me with this.
> 
> my impression is that this is a plan for the serious, those
> interested enough to end their lives that they are willing
> to learn a few new things and read a few simple instructions.
> fear of bungling is important to adequately address.

And my impression is that you cannot fucking accept that even someone
who is pretty open-minded and pretty serious might have looked
seriously into the helium method and still be less enthuastic about it
than the CoE.

> # ...the physical consequences of an elevated carbon dioxide 
> # blood level that will cause even the most determined person 
> # to remove the plastic bag, 
> 
> really? I thought the helium knocks you out. 
> or did you know that you could combine these?

I actually learned this when researching this, but after reading all
sources on the helium method I could find last year, I was left with
the impression that there were too many open questions and possible
ways to mess things up with helium. It's not that I personally find
hanging so easy to figure out, but, even if I don't remember the exact
statistics I found somewhere last year, I do remember that hanging is
*much* more likely to be kill you once you've figured out how to do
correctly, and that's what I'm trying to do very hard. I really wonder
why I'm wasting my time here discussing things with someone who is
obsessing about a method that seems to be neither one of the easiest
nor one of the most lethal ones.

> # I read about people who had knocked themselves out with 
> # some pretty heavy stuff and who still woke up with the 
> # plastic bag in their hands not feeling so fit then,
> # so it looks like you have to be almost in coma to 
> # leave that bag in its place. 
> 
> it sounds like bungling it might be too problematic, yes.
> 
> # I once had a neighbor who succeeded with this though, 
> # and it's too bad that I can't ask him anymore how he 
> # managed this. 
> 
> not by his aim. ;>
> 
> # The nice thing about inert gases 
> 
> yes.
> 
> # or carbon monoxide is 
> # that you won't have any unpleasant physical reactions 
> 
> this isn't true for CO. everything I read about CO 
> indicates that it displaces reception of oxygen, poisoning
> the human body and (depending on CO levels/+other+chems),
> causing some pretty nasty side-effects.

According to this source: http://geocities.com/dunricin/co.htm,  200
PPM cause mild headache, fatigue, nausea and dizziness", whereas
12,800 PPM cause death within minutes. I heard about at least one
family on the news who died in their sleep with the car engine running
in the garage, and they didn't wake up from agony or anything. But the
problem seems indeed to be to get a CO concentration that is high
enough. Before I had access to the internet, I was trying to figure
out how to rent a garage and drive there, but then, I don't have a
licence yet, don't have any ideas how to manipulate cars, and later I
learned on the internet that a lot of modern cars put out very little
carbon monoxide, and I'm really not sure whether I'm up to generating
my own CO and building my own COGEN machine. Hey, why not construct my
own personal Guillotine?!

> plus, I think CO is *flammable*, explosive. so this is
> another hazard to watch out for. you can fuck up your
> family's lives pretty seriously if you take the house
> along with you when you go because of an explosion/fire.
> I wouldn't want to do that to my loved ones. based on
> what you said about your SO not even knowing that you
> want to end your life, I doubt you want it to be an
> unintentional murder-suicide. do more research. that's
> what I'm doing.

I knew that at least one problem with carbon monoxide is that it's
odorless, so that "rescuers" could potentially be poisoned as well
without knowing. And what the fuck are you lecturing me about not
murdering loved ones?! I'm actually not planning to take anyone with
me, loved or not, when exciting, that's why I haven't joined some
terror group, but have been researching suspension hanging, duh!


> # and could really die peacefully. 
> 
> I'm not sure whether the helium delivery is peaceful,
> but the way it sounded with euthanizing nonhumans, they 
> passed out without struggling as when suffocating and 
> suffering the effects of CO^2. see the Suicide Guide:
> 
>      http://www.satanservice.org/coe/suicide/guide/
> 
> # But unfortunately, this Dr. Kevorkian can't help 
> # anyone any more. Oh well.
> 
> don't bet on it. he's got orgs and outreach and there
> are some who seep like tendrils out of his cell 
> assisting the needy to self-terminate as we are able
> and their end sought seems elegant and resolved.
> 
> you sound troubled and inexpert, deceiptful and unsure.
> your caution is therefore very good. nobody's pushing.
> only those who are really ready to end their lives ought
> be given assistance of any kind, as Saint Kevorkian knows.

And you sound like an idiot.

Who would have guessed that I would be fighting over the best suicide
method one day, as if this was any random topic, *sigh*.