Re: 17,000 deaths a year from the cold

"George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Ian St. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > Spewing insults does not change the facts.
> >
> > No but telling it like it is makes me feel good.
> >
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> I'm so happy for you.
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> > the non-sequitor is to connect the loss of a family member with any
> actions.
> > Until you show that the missing relative was killed by saddam and was
not
> a
> > victim of war or a combatant in a civil war, you have no basis for your
> > 'sympathy vote' claims.
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> Let's try that rationale.

If you can get through it without adding a dose of bullshit.

> Families report that Saddam's henchmen dragged
> their loved ones away in the night, never to be seen again.

They reported it? What did Saddam do? Guess they didn't report it so much as
tell stories years later.

> Years later,
> they are found in a mass grave, but surely that's just a coincident,
right?

Nope. That is bullshit. Please show where ANY of the bodies have been
positively identified.

The real stupidity here is your ignorance of the fact that tens of thousands
died in the Iran/Iraq war and yet every grave that is dug up seems to be
evidence of mass murder to you. Your biases are humorous.


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> > >
> > > >The origin of the graves is unknown and may be soldiers in the
> > > > Iran/Iraq war or rebels from the Shiite rebellion.
> > >
> > > Women and children?
> >
> > This is Iraq. The recent slitting of throats of two Americans were done
(
> > according to claims ) by a mob including boys as young as 12.  Nor are
> women
> > immune from charges of treason. What we know so far is that we do not
know
> > enough to make assessments based on the method of execution. The
> > documentation and forensic evidence must be collected. This will take a
> > while even with the best of intentions, but with only a few
investigators
> > involved ( four to six ) and so many sites to investigate, it will be a
> LONG
> > time before a conclusion is reached.
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> I don't disagree with you that the task is daunting.

Better that Ameirca get out of Iraq and turn the investigation over to the
resources of the U.N.

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> > >
> > > >While their deaths may
> > > > greive their families, the reason for their deaths would not be as
> > > claimed.
> > >
> > > How the fuck do you know, since you claim that the origin of the
graves
> > are
> > > unknown?  Don't be a hypocrit, that is, unless of course that is what
> you
> > > are trying to be.
> >
> > I am claiming that we do not know. And I said "would not be' to show
that
> I
> > was speculating.
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> Well, it's good to see that you admit that you don't know either.

I never said I knew. I suspect that a lot of Iraqis don't know either, but
are merely repeating rumors. The truth is always hard to find and never by
word of mouth.


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> > When the results of the investigation are made, we can continue this. In
> the
> > meantime, the jury is out.
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> As was pointed out before, this is a war.  As such, I doubt there will be
> very many juries for some time to come.  That being the case, the evidence
> at hand is what many will end up relying on.  That evidence, so far,
> implicates Saddam Hussein's regime in many crimes.

False. Until you separate out the war dead, and the executions for high
crimes, you have nothing but the usual pile of bodies that every country
accumulates over the years. I have no doubt that if they looked hard they
could find some of Alexander the Greats big battles. The dry desert
preserves bodies for millenia..
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