Re: 17,000 deaths a year from the cold

"Ian St. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "Ian St. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > > "Ian St. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > <snip>
> > > > > > So, international law, according to St. John the wise, says that
> its
> > > ok
> > > > to
> > > > > > commit genocide if it occurs during a civil war.
> > > > >
> > > > > Non-sequitor. Genocide isn't under discussion. The Iran/Iraq war
was
> a
> > > > > normal conflict, and casualtues are normal in war.
> > > >
> > > > Sure it is.  Its was one of the reasons outlined by Bush at the UN.
> > >
> > > Thus confirming that Genocide was not under discussion. The most
notable
> > > characteristic of Dumbyas speeches is that they have no relationship
to
> > > reality.
> >
> > Spewing insults does not change the facts.
>
> No but telling it like it is makes me feel good.
>

I'm so happy for you.

> > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for clarifying that
> > > > > > for the rest of us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rather, piss on you for trying to misrepresent the conflict.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2003/dapril/17_massgrave.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Misrepresentation again of deaths which occurred in the Iran/Iraq
> war.
> > > It
> > > > is
> > > > > not known which side launched the gas attack. The Iraqis might
> jhave,
> > > > > thinking that the Iranians still invested the town. Or the
Iranians
> > were
> > > > > known to be using this type of assault at that period. The
evidence
> is
> > > > > equivocal, but becomes 'fact' in the deluusions of Boy George
here.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_779970.html?menu
> > > > >
> > > > > "It is not yet known how or why these people died"
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2003/s881169.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > So there are mass graves. That was never in question. There are
mass
> > > > graves
> > > > > everywhere, including the U.S. God knows how many Civil War graves
> > would
> > > > bee
> > > > > found if the local soil was as dry as the deserts of Iraq. The
> > question
> > > is
> > > > > the origin of the casualties and assertions from political enemies
> do
> > > not
> > > > > carry any forensaic weight.
> > > >
> > > > So you think that families with lost loved ones are to be considered
> > > > political enemies?
> > >
> > > non-sequitor.
> >
> > You are the one who said they were political enemies?  I guess that
means
> > all of what you have said is a non-sequetor, right?
>
> the non-sequitor is to connect the loss of a family member with any
actions.
> Until you show that the missing relative was killed by saddam and was not
a
> victim of war or a combatant in a civil war, you have no basis for your
> 'sympathy vote' claims.

Let's try that rationale.  Families report that Saddam's henchmen dragged
their loved ones away in the night, never to be seen again.  Years later,
they are found in a mass grave, but surely that's just a coincident, right?

> >
> > >The origin of the graves is unknown and may be soldiers in the
> > > Iran/Iraq war or rebels from the Shiite rebellion.
> >
> > Women and children?
>
> This is Iraq. The recent slitting of throats of two Americans were done (
> according to claims ) by a mob including boys as young as 12.  Nor are
women
> immune from charges of treason. What we know so far is that we do not know
> enough to make assessments based on the method of execution. The
> documentation and forensic evidence must be collected. This will take a
> while even with the best of intentions, but with only a few investigators
> involved ( four to six ) and so many sites to investigate, it will be a
LONG
> time before a conclusion is reached.

I don't disagree with you that the task is daunting.

> >
> > >While their deaths may
> > > greive their families, the reason for their deaths would not be as
> > claimed.
> >
> > How the fuck do you know, since you claim that the origin of the graves
> are
> > unknown?  Don't be a hypocrit, that is, unless of course that is what
you
> > are trying to be.
>
> I am claiming that we do not know. And I said "would not be' to show that
I
> was speculating.

Well, it's good to see that you admit that you don't know either.

> When the results of the investigation are made, we can continue this. In
the
> meantime, the jury is out.
>

As was pointed out before, this is a war.  As such, I doubt there will be
very many juries for some time to come.  That being the case, the evidence
at hand is what many will end up relying on.  That evidence, so far,
implicates Saddam Hussein's regime in many crimes.