Re: 17,000 deaths a year from the cold

"George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Ian St. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > So, international law, according to St. John the wise, says that its
ok
> to
> > > commit genocide if it occurs during a civil war.
> >
> > Non-sequitor. Genocide isn't under discussion. The Iran/Iraq war was a
> > normal conflict, and casualtues are normal in war.
>
> Sure it is.  Its was one of the reasons outlined by Bush at the UN.

Thus confirming that Genocide was not under discussion. The most notable
characteristic of Dumbyas speeches is that they have no relationship to
reality.

>
> > > Thanks for clarifying that
> > > for the rest of us.
> >
> > Rather, piss on you for trying to misrepresent the conflict.
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2003/dapril/17_massgrave.html
> >
> > Misrepresentation again of deaths which occurred in the Iran/Iraq war.
It
> is
> > not known which side launched the gas attack. The Iraqis might jhave,
> > thinking that the Iranians still invested the town. Or the Iranians were
> > known to be using this type of assault at that period. The evidence is
> > equivocal, but becomes 'fact' in the deluusions of Boy George here.
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_779970.html?menu
> >
> > "It is not yet known how or why these people died"
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2003/s881169.htm
> >
> > So there are mass graves. That was never in question. There are mass
> graves
> > everywhere, including the U.S. God knows how many Civil War graves would
> bee
> > found if the local soil was as dry as the deserts of Iraq. The question
is
> > the origin of the casualties and assertions from political enemies do
not
> > carry any forensaic weight.
>
> So you think that families with lost loved ones are to be considered
> political enemies?

non-sequitor. The origin of the graves is unknown and may be soldiers in the
Iran/Iraq war or rebels from the Shiite rebellion.While their deaths may
greive their families, the reason for their deaths would not be as claimed.
That is, assuming that the acutal investigation comes out with this
conclusion. Even in the U.S there are probably mass graves in the old south
of negroes that will never be unearthed.

>  Of whom?  If you believe that witnesses to atrocities carry no forensic
weight,

Nope. Just as heated words on usenet carry little weight, the dissidents,
criminals, and political opponents claims must be backed up by EVIDENCE
before any concluson is founded. The claims can only be used as a guide to
discovery of evidence in a proper forensic investigation.

> then you know nothing of forensics.  I do, since I
> have four years of forensic anthropology training.

God help the innocent since your 'evidence' will be the claims of the
criminal seeking a 'bargain' with the D.A.  I now have a clearer idea of why
the U.S. has so MANY people in jail. Much more per capita than other
countries. Apparently their view of 'evidence' is as screwed up as the rest
of their culture.


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> > >
> > > http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/05/69521.html
> > "There are almost certainly mass graves in Turkey, especially in the
> Kurdish
> > south-east, but since the regime there hasn't been overthrown but still
> sits
> > confidently in the midst of NATO, these have not been bought to light."
> >
> > I thought you were trying to claim SAafddam made alll the maass graves.
> Now
> > you are attacking the Turkish government?
> >
> > Bwahahahahaha Your 'proof' suffers from a lack of substance. Try
tapering
> > off on the stupid pills.
> >
>
> Hello!!!  Try reading it again!

I read the quote from your reference. Still doing selective reading I guess?

> Mass graves containing thousands of dead have been found in Iraq.
Relatives
> watched as the remains of long lost friends and relatives were unearthed.
At
> least 15,000 bodies are thought to be buried, the remains of Iraqi people
> who rose up against Saddam 12 years ago at the end of the last Gulf War.

The Shia rebellion is unliikely to have had that many casualties, and it is
a known act of civil war. It does not come under the heading of attrocity,
or the U.S would have to turn itself in for the Civil War with the south.

>
> This has been called the Iraqi killing fields and has shocked the world.
It
> proves that the war to topple Saddam was right! Saddam Hussein is thought
to
> have murdered at least 300,000 of his own people during his 24 year reign
of
> terror and forced another million into exile as refugees!

"is thought to" only by idiots that require no evidence but take propaganda
at face value. The same sort of idiots that would claim that "Pravda" was
total fact back in soviet russia.

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> > >
> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92237,00.html
> >
> > The main point here is that Inforce is only in the preliminary
assessment
> > stage and hasn't a clue as to the origin of the bodies at this point.
> >
>
> Oh really?
>
> "BAGHDAD, Iraq - In the latest in a series of grisly discoveries, the U.S.
> military said Thursday it found another mass grave - this one in northern
> Iraq and thought to contain the bodies of up to 400 Kurdish women and
> children slain by Saddam Hussein's regime.
>
> Some 25 sets of remains - all women and children - have been pulled from
the
> grave, each with a bullet hole in the skull. The military said the size of
> the area leads them to believe the site contains between 200 and 400
> bodies."
>
> Are you going to tell me that all of these women and children were
fighters
> who rose up against Saddam, and thus deserved to die?

Beats the hell out of me. Unlike you I don't jump to conclusions in advance
of the factr. The U.S bombardment of Iraq produced hundreds of multialted
corpses of men, women and children, yet I don't claim that this was a
personal act of G.W.B.

As I claimed the Inforce team has not yet conclude anything on the evidence.
That is a point lost on you as you already have a reigious belief from the
propaganda teams to defend.

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> > > http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/photogallery/gallery_11/my07.html
> >
> > "A blindfolded victim found in a mass grave in Musayib, 75 KM SW of
> Baghdad.
> > The victims are thought to be from among some 2,000 persons reported
> missing
> > after the 1991 uprising against the Iraqi government"
> >
> > Funnily enough, treason against your country is usually solved by firing
> > squad in the U.S. as well.
>
> Can you name the last person to receive a firing squad in the US?  I can.

The point is that the law is still on the books, and is considered justice.
It is, in fact, not called into effect much in the U.S. which seems to
prefer indefinite incarceration and torture such as isolation, food
deprivation, beatings, etc, but the principle is the same. Rebellion and
treason are punishable by death unless you win.

> >I will agree that as the head of the country,
> > Saddam could have commuted the sentences, but I fail to see why such
> > wholesale interference with justice would be rationalized.
>
> Being Canadian, it does surprise me somewhat that you consider genocide to
> be a normal part of conducting war.  I suspect that you are a native
> Canadian.

Genocide is not under discussion. Mass murder is your claim and so far you
can only produce a number of mass graves as evidence while somehow there are
supposed to be no casualties from the Iran/Iraq war which was known to be
'low tech' for the most part and producing massive casualty figures on both
sides, or the Shiite rebellion which was a civil war.

>
> > So far, there is evidence of a civil war (2000 graves around Basra from
> > rebel Shiites) and various unkown graves, most of whom will probably
stem
> > from the war which was known to have kill large numbers. Unlike assholes
> > like George, I'll wait for the evidence.
> >
>
> Oh boo-hoo.  Did I offend?  I suspect that you won't have to wait too
long.

I've already waited too long. It is a long process to find FACTS instead of
wholesale bullshit. I suspect that the U.S. is deliberately keeping any
investigation low keyed and slow in order for the propaganda value to be
maximized. One can just look at how many 'WMDs discovered" they put out in
twenty four point type and how long it took before the page ten retraction
of the claim.

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