Re: Any anti-abortion atheists?

"robpar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:37:14 -0500, "Osprey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >"robpar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:49:20 -0500, "Osprey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Morbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >> >> > > On 29 Nov 2003 22:42:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve
> >Dufour)
> >> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >I've been wondering about this for the last few days.  Are
there
> >any
> >> >> > > >well known people around who are both atheists and are against
> >> >> > > >abortion?  Thanks.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >    Not to my knowledge, I know many christians that are pro
choice.
> >> >> > > Personally I abhor abortions. but support a womans right to her
> >> >choice.
> >> >> > > Freedom of speech would allow the vendors to advertise
> >contraceptives
> >> >and
> >> >> >  reduce
> >> >> > > the need for abortions. Unfortunately the self righteous
christian
> >> >bigots
> >> >> >  have
> >> >> > > managed to censor such advertising. Only one of a laundry list
of
> >> >> >  oppressions
> >> >> > > supported by the self righteous bigots in christianity.
> >> >> > >    I don`t believe it would be possible for an atheist to
support
> >the
> >> >Pro
> >> >> >  Life
> >> >> > > anti-abortion movement. Atheist usually support individual
> >freedoms.
> >> >And
> >> >> > > Pro-life means a restriction on the freedom of women, and
medicine.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do you always support the practicing behaviors you abhore?  If so,
> >why
> >> >> > abhore them.  Just accept them and don't be a two face about what
you
> >> >think
> >> >> > is wrong.  Don't flaunt a morality that you really don't believe
in.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dorothy... I think you're missing the point.  I, for example, abhore
> >> >> abortion.  But neither you, nor I, nor God, nor Jesus has the
> >> >> authority to tell a woman what to do with her own body (And yes...
> >> >> Those cells in her womb ARE her own body).
> >> >
> >> >Wrong
> >> >
> >> >Our bodies were given to us through God.
> >>
> >> Bull shit there is no god.
> >
> >In your opinion.
> >Your choice to believe that if you want.
> >I know better to ask you if you can prove that because like most atheist
you
> >refuse to accept burden of proof.
> >
>
>   Not my burden, you claim your god exist prove it.

Yes, your burden as well as anyone elses. You make a claim, run away by
saying you don't have to prove anything.

Well, recreate the universe then.  I have lots of questions for you that you
will not be able to answer.

OR...


You could just retract and admit YOU DON'T KNOW

Most atheist are smart enough to say that.



I know of no god that I
> believe in. So I would have a burden of proof if I believed a god to
exist.
> >
> >>
> >> > It is our responsibility and our duty to take care of our bodies and
> >protect.
> >>
> >> Yes it`s your duty to take care of your own body,  but not to force
others
> >to do
> >> what you believe is correct.
> >
> >Who is forcing?
> >Do you know what the term "force" means?
> >
>   I do but apparently you don`t.

You do?

Tell me, what does force mean.  And then demonstrate how I would be forcing
others to do what I believe is correct.


> >>
> >> >A woman is responsible for protecting the life for which she is about
to
> >> >give.
> >> >
> >>  A woman is responsible for her own body, and her own decisions
including
> >> whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term. It`s none of your
business.
> >
> >It most certainly is my business, as it is anyone's.
> >
>    No what other do with their bodies is none of your business.

It is a issue that our politicians debate over.  I am a voter.
It is MY business as well as anyone elses.



> >
> >> >
> >> >So Atheists and pro-choice
> >> >> people don't see abortion as noble, or proper, or the "right" thing
to
> >> >> do... But we simply CANNOT decide for the women.  It's their burden,
> >> >> their choice.  All we can do is promote contraception, education,
> >> >> awareness, other alternatives (Such as adoption), and support women
> >> >> with whatever choice they make...  End of story
> >> >
> >> >I agree with most of that; however, I would never support the choice
of
> >> >abortion.
> >> >
> >>   But strongly oppose the woman having the right to make that choice?
> >
> >I am entitled to my opinion.  Just because I strongly oppose it, does not
> >mean I would force it.
> >
> >That is, if you know the difference.
> >
> >> Mind your own damn business, your mythical character Jesus had some
thing
> >to say
> >> to you.
> >
> >Don't be a hypocrite and refer to Jesus Christ.
> >
>   Note it`s to a mythical being you claim exist.

If you can prove other wise, by all means go for it.

>
> >As far as abortion goes, as long as it is a issue, it is just as much my
> >business as anyone elses and I will continue to excercise MY FIRST
AMENDMENT
> >rights.
> >
> >
> >Remove the plank from your own eye, before you worry about the mote in
> >> another eye. If you were a christian instead of being a self righteous
> >bigot you
> >> would join the majority of pro-choice christians.
> >
> >I refuse to take advice about God from a atheist.
> >

Please, get the hint.

I don't take biblical lessons or advice on God from a atheist. If I wish to
gain knowledge, or get advice, I will go to someone that actually knows what
he or she is talking about.