Re: Any anti-abortion atheists?

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:37:14 -0500, "Osprey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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>"robpar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:49:20 -0500, "Osprey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
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>> >"Morbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> >> > > On 29 Nov 2003 22:42:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve
>Dufour)
>> >> >  wrote:
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>> >> > > >I've been wondering about this for the last few days.  Are there
>any
>> >> > > >well known people around who are both atheists and are against
>> >> > > >abortion?  Thanks.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >    Not to my knowledge, I know many christians that are pro choice.
>> >> > > Personally I abhor abortions. but support a womans right to her
>> >choice.
>> >> > > Freedom of speech would allow the vendors to advertise
>contraceptives
>> >and
>> >> >  reduce
>> >> > > the need for abortions. Unfortunately the self righteous christian
>> >bigots
>> >> >  have
>> >> > > managed to censor such advertising. Only one of a laundry list of
>> >> >  oppressions
>> >> > > supported by the self righteous bigots in christianity.
>> >> > >    I don`t believe it would be possible for an atheist to support
>the
>> >Pro
>> >> >  Life
>> >> > > anti-abortion movement. Atheist usually support individual
>freedoms.
>> >And
>> >> > > Pro-life means a restriction on the freedom of women, and medicine.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you always support the practicing behaviors you abhore?  If so,
>why
>> >> > abhore them.  Just accept them and don't be a two face about what you
>> >think
>> >> > is wrong.  Don't flaunt a morality that you really don't believe in.
>> >>
>> >> Dorothy... I think you're missing the point.  I, for example, abhore
>> >> abortion.  But neither you, nor I, nor God, nor Jesus has the
>> >> authority to tell a woman what to do with her own body (And yes...
>> >> Those cells in her womb ARE her own body).
>> >
>> >Wrong
>> >
>> >Our bodies were given to us through God.
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>> Bull shit there is no god.
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>In your opinion.
>Your choice to believe that if you want.
>I know better to ask you if you can prove that because like most atheist you
>refuse to accept burden of proof.
>

  Not my burden, you claim your god exist prove it. I know of no god that I
believe in. So I would have a burden of proof if I believed a god to exist.
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>> > It is our responsibility and our duty to take care of our bodies and
>protect.
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>> Yes it`s your duty to take care of your own body,  but not to force others
>to do
>> what you believe is correct.
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>Who is forcing?
>Do you know what the term "force" means?
>
  I do but apparently you don`t.
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>> >A woman is responsible for protecting the life for which she is about to
>> >give.
>> >
>>  A woman is responsible for her own body, and her own decisions including
>> whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term. It`s none of your business.
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>It most certainly is my business, as it is anyone's.
>
   No what other do with their bodies is none of your business.
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>> >
>> >So Atheists and pro-choice
>> >> people don't see abortion as noble, or proper, or the "right" thing to
>> >> do... But we simply CANNOT decide for the women.  It's their burden,
>> >> their choice.  All we can do is promote contraception, education,
>> >> awareness, other alternatives (Such as adoption), and support women
>> >> with whatever choice they make...  End of story
>> >
>> >I agree with most of that; however, I would never support the choice of
>> >abortion.
>> >
>>   But strongly oppose the woman having the right to make that choice?
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>I am entitled to my opinion.  Just because I strongly oppose it, does not
>mean I would force it.
>
>That is, if you know the difference.
>
>> Mind your own damn business, your mythical character Jesus had some thing
>to say
>> to you.
>
>Don't be a hypocrite and refer to Jesus Christ.
>
  Note it`s to a mythical being you claim exist.

>As far as abortion goes, as long as it is a issue, it is just as much my
>business as anyone elses and I will continue to excercise MY FIRST AMENDMENT
>rights.
>
>
>Remove the plank from your own eye, before you worry about the mote in
>> another eye. If you were a christian instead of being a self righteous
>bigot you
>> would join the majority of pro-choice christians.
>
>I refuse to take advice about God from a atheist.
>
  Or the bible, apparently. Even the words of your leader are ignored if it is
contrary to your bigotry. So you reject the Bible as a source?
Note this is not my advice but a rule laid down by your mythical Jesus. Which
you choose to ignore. To bad many of the rules of Jesus are damn good rules to
live by.

   Since you refuse to accept even the teachings of Jesus, but claim to follow
Jesus . I believe I will ignore you as a waste of time.
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