Re: Any anti-abortion atheists?

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> > > > The current law about abortion , according to roe vs wade, is that
it is
> > > > a private matter between a woman and her doctor in the first
trimester.
> > > > After that, it is up to the state, as long as they have a provision
for
> > > > medical reasons.
> > > >
> > > > Third trimester abortions are very rare, and are regulated already.
> > > > Would you rather let someone have an abortion, or just let the woman
> >  die?
> > > >
> > > > I suspect you would let the woman die.
> > >
> > > Bob, dude, buddy, pal, ye ol' top poster -- which one of us are you
> > > replying to.
> > >
> > > Eh, I'll answer for me, just in case.
> > >
> > > First off, I'm pro-choice, you shmuck. I hope you can see that your
> > > last presumably knee-jerk statement wasn't fair considering you didn't
> > > know where I stood except in relation to one statement made by
> > > robparr. More specifically, my own personal decision would be
> > > pro-life; however, I would not presume to tell another woman what to
> > > do. To even try would be ridiculous. She's going to do whatever she
> > > wants, legal or illegal, regardless. How could she not, after all is
> > > said and done it's STILL her body.
> >
> > Just to help you understand the other side.  You are entitled to your
> > opinion, and I am not suggesting that you have to change them.
> > Many of us who do believe in God, realize that our body's are not just
ours.
> > God has given us life, and it is our responsibility to take care of our
> > bodies and protect life.  This means protecting the unborn.  God has
given
> > us the wonderful miracle of being able to create life.  A woman's womb,
it
> > is her responsibility not only for herself but to God, to protect the
> > unborn.  That is how many of us view our bodies and the unborn.  Now
> > granted, reading your previous post, you may go on the attack.  I would
hope
> > not. I am only responding to you so you may get a better understanding
on
> > how others view the issue.
> >
>
>
> I really love it when people say something like this.  They say: "You
> are entitled to your opinion, and I am not suggesting that you have to
> change them."

What is wrong with that?

> but then they go on to say that God has given US life and it's OUR
> responsibility to take care of OUR bodies...

Yep, my opinion.

God has given US this
> wonderful miracle.

Correct again

I especially like the "A woman's womb, it is her
> responsibility not only for herself but to God, to protect the
> unborn."

Correct again

>
> So in the same sentence, this person said: you're entitled to your
> opinions, as long as you service your greater responsibility to God.

No, I didn't say that.

> Amazing how short sited that is.

What is amazing even more is you adding to my statements and expecting
people to believe you.

When you make statements like that,
> are you really respecting others opinions?

Yes


Are you really respecting
> others rights to choose their religious beliefs?

Yes


 don't think so.
> You're saying that even though you don't believe in God, you still
> bend to God's will.

I didn't say that

> I personally don't believe in God,

Your choice

and I don't
> have to do anything that respects a God except respect others' rights
> to choose their religious beliefs.

Again, your choice

>
>
> > >
> > > Second, I was just pointing out the ludicousness of robparr's criteria
> > > for what constitutes a human being, ie not until fetus is born does it
> > > become a human being. At least that's what I got from that statement.
> > > Well, that's too late. Way, WAY too late. And, as you say, abortions
> > > at that point are already regulated.
> >
> > The fetus is a human being.  From the moment of conception. We do not
become
> > a "person" until after birth.
> > There is a difference.  And the ONLY reason for that, is for legal
reasons
> > only.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The fact that I did so through excessive sarcasm is my bad.
> >
> > That is a shame that you have to be that way.  I would like to suggest
that
> > you try to understand the other side, if you want to have your opinions
> > understood.
> > When you use sarcasm, you only defeat yourself.
> >
> > I just got
> > > slightly steamed, is all. But robparr's tone didn't warrent it, so I'm
> > > sorry.
> > >
> > > My criteria leans more toward "viable outside the womb without
> > > extraordinary assistance," though I think that the entire issue is way
> > > too complex to make alot of sweeping black and white statements.
> > >
> > > Out of curiousity though, does anyone know what sort of medical
> > > emergency would have to be happening for a late-term abortion,
> > > presumably partial birth,  to be needed, rather than some sort of
> > > cesarian procedure where the child may, or may not, survive?
> >
> > This is a good argument and one reason I do not support PBA.  I can't
think
> > of any reason why a cesarian can't be done to save both mother and
child.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > As for the choices of mothers and their families in regard to
> > > earlier-term fetuses, that would be up to the individuals involved and
> > > the situations they find themselves. I would hope that life doesn't
> > > become so cheap that such decisions are taken frivously. Most of the
> > > time I'm sure they are not. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter what you,
> > > I or Pope John Paul say about the situation. The people actually
> > > involved are the ones who have to live with their decisions, and will
> > > need counseling and support either way.
> > >
> > > I would also hope that such counseling would include all the options,
> > > as opposed to the "You're pregnant. You don't wanna be. You don't have
> > > to be" quickie counseling that my friend got when she was 16. She
> > > still regrets the decision she made, and feels that if she'd had more
> > > information, she might have acted differently.And that goes for the
> > > death penalty, euthanasia, war -- other areas that should be
> > > considered if one is "pro-life."
> > >
> > >