Re: A Question for Atheists About Charity Organizations.

isi wrote:

> 
> Uzytkownik "William Barwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> napisal w wiadomosci
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Robibnikoff wrote:
>>
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> isi says...
>> > snip
>> >>I don't know if that was a Mormon thing, but tampering with
> the
>> >>biographies of the dead is certainly an Atheist thing.
>> >
>> > Really?  Prove it.
>> >
>>
>> No, its a christian thang.  Look up the book the "Herndon's
> Life of
>> Lincoln", by his law partner, Herndon.  Herndon related lots of
> tales
> 
> Yep, lots of tales.


Lincoln and he were partners and friends for decades.
Lincoln was sworn enemy of large numbers of small minded lying Christian
'ministers' who hated him because they were small minded bigots.
He had teh last laugh.





> 
>> about
>> Lincoln's deism and lack of belief in Christianity.  The book
> was a slow
>> seller and a bunch of Methodist preachers hatched a plot at
> their yearly
>> Methodist confab  to quietly buy up all known copies and burn
> them.
> 
> Got any proof of this? Any cites?


The story is told in the preface to my copy.  Try googling.
Or buy your own copy


>>  Only 9
>> copies of the original printing survived, before it was
> reprinted.
> 
> How many were printed originally? 10?

5000 if my memory serves me correctly





>> You see, after Lincoln was assassinated he became the biggest
> American hero
>> since Washington and the Christians wanted to lie about his
> religion.
> 
> You mean, scholars exposed Hemdon as an unreliable historian and
> biographer.

The stories of Lincoln the good Christian is the lie the unreliable
historians of Christianity prefer.




> 
>> Never mind he lost early elections because Christians
> trumpetted his
>> unorthodoxy.
> 
> Lincoln lost several elections, doubtless caused by several
> circumstances. The electorate was composed almost exclusively of
> Christians.
> 
> [...]
>> Atheists may want to look up the hordes of outrageous lies told
> about
>> Voltaire after his death.
> 
> I hope you're not suggesting that Voltaire was an atheist. He was
> not.

No, but the good Christians of his day lied about that too.
Christian bigots told even bigger lies about him than that.



> 
>> Honesty and Christianity have been enemies since day one.
> 
> The two being enemies can only be _possible_ if "Honesty" and
> "Christianity" are individuals of a higher order.
> 
>> They even lie about themselves.  I have an amusing book on
> medieval saints.
>> Many of their relics were bones of nobodies
> 
> If it was an amusing book, it should have stated that the bones
> were of bodies rather than nobodies.
> 

A few amusing "saints" relics turned out to not even be human.
A goat rib will do if you have enough faith,
6 churches claimed to have the head of John the Baptist.
I was not aware John the Baptist had 6 heads.




>> relic sellers told big whopping
>> lies about. Some of these bones weren't even human bones.
> Early on,
>> since relics of saints was big business with monasteries due to
> cash
>> carrying pilgrims and tourists, they'd steal each others
> relics.  And later
>> would buy bones and make up big swotting lies, romantic tall
> tales how they
>> cleverly stole this saint's relics from a monastery where they
> were not
>> appreciated, pilgrims expected a big, daring tale ala Indiana
> Jones, told
>> with much brave posturing and dramaticism.  These bozos
> couldn't even tell
>> the truth about their 'saints' 'biographies' and relics, many
> are still
>> mouldering in churches all over Europe.
>>
>> If christians just knew about how silly and dishonest
> biographies
>> were in the hands of Christians for nearly 2 millenia, they'd
> plotz.
> 
> Did you research all this or does it come from the Atheist
> Scriptures? You make a lot of interesting statements, but in the
> absence of evidence I remain skeptical as to their veracity.
> 

I buy a lot of university press history books and the like.
The book above was one such.  With lots of Latin, footnotes and
other scholarly stuff, no Atheist polemic if that is what you are implying.
It was a sober (as sober as the subject matter could be) of the odd
history of medieval relics, saints, theft of relics between monasteries
and later lies about shady 'relics' whose 'history' was a pack of lies 
about being stolen because that was what pilgrims wanted and expected to 
hear.  Because such WAS the history of many earlier relics.

Sober history and sociology, much of it culled from the ecclesiastical
court minutes and records from courts that adjudicated numerous long 
lawsuits over such shenannigans between monasteries.

Its a funny book despite the author's attempts to remain dry and academic 
about it all.

There was also some stuff about the shady relic dealers and the arrests at 
Rome and elsewhere of these grave robbers.  Most amusing.  Crooks, thieves, 
conmen, fences and that's just the monks.  The relic dealers were even 
worse.









> isi

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