Re: Any anti-abortion atheists?

On 1 Dec 2003 15:10:08 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erica) wrote:

>Bob Moss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> The current law about abortion , according to roe vs wade, is that it is 
>> a private matter between a woman and her doctor in the first trimester.
>> After that, it is up to the state, as long as they have a provision for 
>> medical reasons.
>> 
>> Third trimester abortions are very rare, and are regulated already. 
>> Would you rather let someone have an abortion, or just let the woman die?
>> 
>> I suspect you would let the woman die.
>
>Bob, dude, buddy, pal, ye ol' top poster -- which one of us are you
>replying to.
>
>Eh, I'll answer for me, just in case.
>
>First off, I'm pro-choice, you shmuck. I hope you can see that your
>last presumably knee-jerk statement wasn't fair considering you didn't
>know where I stood except in relation to one statement made by
>robparr. More specifically, my own personal decision would be
>pro-life; however, I would not presume to tell another woman what to
>do. To even try would be ridiculous. She's going to do whatever she
>wants, legal or illegal, regardless. How could she not, after all is
>said and done it's STILL her body.
>
>Second, I was just pointing out the ludicousness of robparr's criteria
>for what constitutes a human being, ie not until fetus is born does it
>become a human being. At least that's what I got from that statement.
>Well, that's too late. Way, WAY too late. And, as you say, abortions
>at that point are already regulated.
>
  Sorry Erica but the beginning of life is well established by law. The first
breath begins life. Our third child never breathed, and was a stillborn. Our
fourth and last died in the womb and had to be removed, through the vagina,
because its safer for the woman than a cesarian section. The reason  for my
knowledge of the subject been there done that.

>The fact that I did so through excessive sarcasm is my bad. I just got
>slightly steamed, is all. But robparr's tone didn't warrent it, so I'm
>sorry.
>
  I tend to be very sarcastic when flaming a so called Pro-Lifer.  Which you
appeared to be with the religious bigots. In using their lies about a near full
term abortion. Which is only used when there is no hope of saving the baby, and
the mothers life is at stake.

>My criteria leans more toward "viable outside the womb without
>extraordinary assistance," though I think that the entire issue is way
>too complex to make alot of sweeping black and white statements.
>
I am in complete agreement.

>Out of curiousity though, does anyone know what sort of medical
>emergency would have to be happening for a late-term abortion,
>presumably partial birth,  to be needed, rather than some sort of
>cesarian procedure where the child may, or may not, survive?
>
  When there is no hope for the baby and the mothers life is in extreme danger.

>As for the choices of mothers and their families in regard to
>earlier-term fetuses, that would be up to the individuals involved and
>the situations they find themselves. I would hope that life doesn't
>become so cheap that such decisions are taken frivously. Most of the
>time I'm sure they are not. Nevertheless, it doesn't matter what you,
>I or Pope John Paul say about the situation. The people actually
>involved are the ones who have to live with their decisions, and will
>need counseling and support either way.
>
>I would also hope that such counseling would include all the options,
>as opposed to the "You're pregnant. You don't wanna be. You don't have
>to be" quickie counseling that my friend got when she was 16. She
>still regrets the decision she made, and feels that if she'd had more
>information, she might have acted differently.And that goes for the
>death penalty, euthanasia, war -- other areas that should be
>considered if one is "pro-life."
>
>Erica
>
>
  Counseling is readily available, the decision to abort is seldom a frivolous
one. And any  woman or man will often have second thought about a serious
decision. 
    I don`t believe that any abuse is as bad as having a unwanted child. No
child should ever be unwanted by his/her mother. Better that they not be born,