Re: Why Must God be Caused?

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 22:07:17 +0000 (UTC), brain in a jar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:53:55 +0000 (UTC), brain in a jar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>>Al Klein wrote:
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>>>>On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:46:28 +0000 (UTC), "Robert Dean"
>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted in alt.atheism:
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>>>>>Planck time is given as 10^43 sec.
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>>>>Has that much time gone by yet?  Or did you mean 10^-43 second?
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>>>>>We do know when the Big Bang occured; this was at
>>>>>0 + Planck time.
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>>>>Most likely.  What we don't know, and can never know, is what
>>>>happened, or what the state of things were, at any time prior to t=0.
>>>
>>>There's no such thing as 'prior to t=0'
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>> 
>> There is no such thing as t=0.
>
>t=0 is a convenient label given to the origin of time. I don't think you 
>are disputing the existence of the terminology, so I conclude that you 
>disagree with the idea that time had a beginning. Please explain why.

Actually, there's some theories now that say there wasn't a t=0 but
only t>0. Much like there aren't any positive real numbers that equal
0 but they get exceedingly close. I can't give the cites off-hand but
could search for them if you'd like.

But I don't think those theories are what Barry was referring to. He
probably doesn't even know himself what he's referring to.

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