Re: The light turns green

Bill <bIXX [EMAIL PROTECTED] ix.sas.com> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Fischer) writes:
>>Marie A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>bIX [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...

>>>> The difference between Judeo-Cristianity and Islam, is
>>>> really a simple one, but quite profound.  Christians
>>>> are saved by faith, and their discipline comes from
>>>> within themselves, while Moslems are saved by their
>>>> works, and their discipline comes from without/others.
>>>
>>>Uh, do those "works" include slitting the throats of flight attendants
>>>and ramming jet airliners into skyscrapers? Uh, no, you say?
>>
>>Uh, yes, actually.  Or something very like it.  Considering hundreds
>>of years of persecution against Jews and Muslims and Pagans I'd guess
>>that the death toll caused by "Christians" far exceeds anything done
>>thus far by any other religion.
>
>Your *guess* is pretty far off the mark, there Ray.
>The atheists of Czarist Russia murdered an estimated
>20-30 million people in the last century.

That certainly wasn't justified or motivated by religion.

>  The nazi's
>of WW2 Germany murdered some 6 million.

Jews, in particular.

>  Do you have
>any figures for those killed in the several Islamic
>wars,

The Crusades?

> the Spanish Inquisition,

Pretty small, I'd guess.  Thousands, perhaps.

> or perhaps the Irish
>conflicts of recent history?

Less than 10,000.

>  I do not have a cite,
>but recall the numbers in the hundreds and the thousands,
>not the millions...   Try again.

Then there's the near genocide of Native Americans and Australian
Aborigines, justified in part by the fact that they were heathens.
Notice also that there are not more Celts.  Christians eliminated them
1000+ years ago.

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Ray Fischer         
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